Karl Hess tosses two NC State players

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Come on, how do we know any sexual, racial, ethic slurs occurred? This is quite a reach. I belive if those things happened. Someone other than Mr. Hess would have taken care of it. I know I would have if I was in the stands witnessing this behavior.

You do not know what they said and we cannot assume that those things were not said. I know I just posed the question because I know of situations where things were said that were of that nature. I know I would not hesitate to get rid of a fan in those cases.

I also find it funny that people have standards for ejecting players or coaches if they use a certain word, but we are supposed to just turn the other cheek in a educational environment that would not be acceptable in any other aspect of life.

Peace

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You do not know what they said and we cannot assume that those things were not said. I know I just posed the question because I know of situations where things were said that were of that nature. I know I would not hesitate to get rid of a fan in those cases.

I also find it funny that people have standards for ejecting players or coaches if they use a certain word, but we are supposed to just turn the other cheek in a educational environment that would not be acceptable in any other aspect of life.

Peace

1. How can we assume they were said?

2. It is indeed funny.

[truerookie]

Honestly, I was hoping that the incident could have been handled in a more appropriate manner.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Honestly, I was hoping that the incident could have been handled in a more appropriate manner.

Appropriate by who's standard's? Yours? How would you know what was appropriate unless you knew what was said that led to the ejection? I think most (read: ALL) officials...here or anywhere would give Hess the benefit of the doubt. He's probably earned that much based on his stature, experience and reputation.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Appropriate by who's standard's? Yours? How would you know what was appropriate unless you knew what was said that led to the ejection? I think most (read: ALL) officials...here or anywhere would give Hess the benefit of the doubt. He's probably earned that much based on his stature, experience and reputation.

Look here guy, You damn sure don't wait until the second half to address this behavior if it warrants getting tossed.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Look here guy, You damn sure don't wait until the second half to address this behavior if it warrants getting tossed.

Really guy? When did the behavior start? How could you have any opinion on when to address it? Unless you were sitting within earshot, you have no clue when or how it should be addressed. How do you come on an officials' discussion board and rip a highly regarded DI official without a clue as to what lead up to his actions?

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Really guy? When did the behavior start? How could you have any opinion on when to address it? Unless you were sitting within earshot, you have no clue when or how it should be addressed. How do you come on an officials' discussion board and rip a highly regarded DI official without a clue as to what lead up to his actions?

Once again GUY, I have not ripped Mr. Hess,

1. I have stated I wish it could have been handled in a less publicized manner.

2. Just like you identify a problem player is the say concept towards problem spectators. You identify it early and put them on notice.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Appropriate by who's standard's? Yours? How would you know what was appropriate unless you knew what was said that led to the ejection? I think most (read: ALL) officials...here or anywhere would give Hess the benefit of the doubt. He's probably earned that much based on his stature, experience and reputation.

Well Hess did not handle it in an entirely appropriate fashion according to the ACC. Surprised nobody has posted this yet but here is the statement from John Cloughtery:

“Under Rule 10, when circumstances warrant, an official has the authority to request home game management to eject fans when the behavior, in the officials’ judgement, is extreme or excessive. It’s unfortunate in this instance that ACC protocol of communicating directly with the home game management was not followed, and instead, a building security officer was solicited. We will re-communicate this policy with all officials to ensure proper protocol is followed.”

Obviously I wasnt there and as an official I am inclined to give Hess the benefit of the doubt. But based on the limited info I have I am of the opinion that Hess would have been better served by ignoring these two for the remaining 2:19 of the game. Or by following protocal and attempting to have a less visible conversation with game management. Also, what was a pretty one sided game without a lot of extracurriculars became very chippy after the incident including a double T.

Corchiani is claiming that both he and Gugliotta had their families with them and did not use any profanity or say anything particularly offensive. And I have a good friend who is the videographer for NC State who claims that the two were very vocal throughout the game but did not cross any lines that arent normally crossed by a good number of fans during any conference contest. Of course this is one side of the story and again I am inclined to give Hess the benefit of doubt.

But if I had to guess, I would think that given the opportunity to do it over again, Hess would like to have handled this a little differently.

[APG]

I think a number of us (including me) have stated that Hess didn't go about this the correct way if he wanted the fans ejected.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I think a number of us (including me) have stated that Hess didn't go about this the correct way if he wanted the fans ejected.

I agree, but I also think none of us know what was said and why the issue was handled the way it was. I can see many things being said that would make me do exactly what he did without knowing or having a clear policy.

Peace

[Brad]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

...I am inclined to give Hess the benefit of doubt.

Exactly!

I'm amazed at the media and ADs, etc. that immediately come to the defense of the guys that got kicked out without having any knowledge of what actually occurred. Do you really think that these guys are ever going to admit wrongdoing?

I don't know the specifics of what happened, but I do know the official in question has 25+ years of Division I experience, has worked the Final Four several times and the championship game once. Do you really think that he got to where he is by having rabbit ears and throwing fans out of games? I'm sure that these guys crossed the line and he had a damn good reason to stop the game, in front of 17,000+ other fans, and have them ejected — that's not something you do lightly.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Corchiani is claiming that both he and Gugliotta had their families with them and did not use any profanity or say anything particularly offensive. And I have a good friend who is the videographer for NC State who claims that the two were very vocal throughout the game but did not cross any lines that arent normally crossed by a good number of fans during any conference contest.

Corchiani also admitted in his tweets that they always get on the officials. But then complained that they were embarrassed in front of their children.

Gugliotta showed his maturity by tipping his cap to the crowd as he was leaving.

Fine example they set for their kids.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by asdf

Corchiani also admitted in his tweets that they always get on the officials. But then complained that they were embarrassed in front of their children.
Gugliotta showed his maturity by tipping his cap to the crowd as he was leaving.

Fine example they set for their kids.

If they hadn't been acting like jackasses in the first place, their children might not have been embarrassed. In fact, it is very possible that their behavior up until the ejection was MORE embarrassing.

[truerookie]

Now that the background has come to light. What have I learned from this interaction with individuals on this board.

1. They love their fellow officials.

2. They believe because of your (stature, experience, and reputation) it gives you a free pass to do whatever you want. Because you know others will not challenge you on your behavior.

3. They will attack you personally when you don't see things their way.

4. Once it's confirmed they are wrong, they still try to spin it to make you believe you are still wrong.

5. The discussions on the forum are enlightening and gives you a different perspective on how others view not only officiating but society as a whole. I personally may not agree with others at times. I take what they say into consideration.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Now that the background has come to light. What have I learned from this interaction with individuals on this board.

1. They love their fellow officials.

2. They believe because of your (stature, experience, and reputation) it gives you a free pass to do whatever you want. Because you know others will not challenge you on your behavior.

3. They will attack you personally when you don't see things their way.

4. Once it's confirmed they are wrong, they still try to spin it to make you believe you are still wrong.

5. The discussions on the forum are enlightening and gives you a different perspective on how others view not only officiating but society as a whole. I personally may not agree with others at times. I take what they say into consideration.

How big of you to take the high road.

I just can't find evidence for 2-4 in this thread.

2: No one said he got a free pass, but the benefit of the doubt until more evidence came to light. It was also noted that he can get away with things that other, newer officials with less built-up credibility can.

3. I didn't see any personal attacks against you. A few face palms, perhaps, but no personal attacks. If you took it that way, you've got thinner skin than some have accused Hess of having.

4. This is just ridiculous, but if you could point to a post in this thread where someone spins obvious evidence against their opinion, I'll be happy to silently consider it.

But apparently it makes you feel better to dump on officials to boost your ego. Just like a middle school crowd, but I'm ok with that, and I'm done.