Karl Hess tosses two NC State players

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Let me ask you a question. Did Hess get suspended? If not why?

I really do not care what he tells the public if nothing changes it must not have been seen as a big no, no as some would like to make it.

Peace

Apparently it can be wrong, and not be a mistake worthy of a suspension.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Apparently it can be wrong, and not be a mistake worthy of a suspension.

I agree and I doubt that anyone really cares that much considering who Hess is and what he has accomplished. And at the end of the day, "Why did Hess do what he did?" The answer, "Because he can."

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I agree and I doubt that anyone really cares that much considering who Hess is and what he has accomplished. And at the end of the day, "Why did Hess do what he did?" The answer, "Because he can."

Peace

That is not a reason.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I agree and I doubt that anyone really cares that much considering who Hess is and what he has accomplished. And at the end of the day, "Why did Hess do what he did?" The answer, "Because he can."

Peace

So basically it has been proven that he didn't follow protocol, and your only defense has been "You weren't there", or "You haven't been in staff meetings", etc. We don't need to have been there or sat in staff meetings, we're going off of what the ACC coordinator said, which is that Hess didn't handle it properly. Then you just give the old "Because he can". I "can" go whack a coach in my game tomorrow right off the bat without them saying anything, but it doesn't mean that I'm right. Just because you can do something doesn't mean it is correct.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

That is not a reason.

Actually it is. It might not be fair, but life is not fair.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

So basically it has been proven that he didn't follow protocol, and your only defense has been "You weren't there", or "You haven't been in staff meetings", etc. We don't need to have been there or sat in staff meetings, we're going off of what the ACC coordinator said, which is that Hess didn't handle it properly. Then you just give the old "Because he can". I "can" go whack a coach in my game tomorrow right off the bat without them saying anything, but it doesn't mean that I'm right. Just because you can do something doesn't mean it is correct.

You obviously did not read this thread or my comments in total. We were talking about "we were not there" in the context of what comments got the fans/former players ejected and if they should have been ejected. That is a little different from what procedure was followed or not.

And also they said the procedure was not followed properly, not that it was Hess was totally wrong or that he did not have a reason to eject the fans. And the "Because I can" was in jest and sarcastic. Honestly there are people that can do things based on their background that others cannot. If you do not know that, then maybe you have not been around long enough. You should know how we have people that get upset over mechanics or signals that officials use not listed in the book and they do not lose anything for not following "protocol." Well that can apply here as well. Of course the ACC might not have been happy, but what are they going to do about it? And even stated that they need to re-communciate which to me means they did not do the job correctly the first time, so we have to tell everyone what that policy was to cover our behinds. If a policy is clear, then say "We made it clear to all officials what to do and Hess was wrong for not following them or ignoring them" No they have to re-communicate something that was "clear" right? Sounds to me they were not happy but not jumping off a bridge either because it was not followed to the letter.

Honestly this is much to do about nothing in the end. I have seen fans ejected the same way in HS and small college games without someone going to GM to do the dirty work. Not something I recommend, but I have seen it done and no one got upset or made a public statement.

Peace

[bowlingref]

Karl Hess is a shrink and his office is about 5 miles away for me. If you guys will take up a collection, I will go by and let him tell me during a mental session what was said. $150 an hour during the the off season is what he charges. Office closed November to April.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

We as officials are instructed to remove problems from the stands.

Here in my little corner of Connecticut, we are instructed to have the problems removed from the stands. I would never give an unruly fan the old baseball "You're Outta Here" heave-ho signal. Nor have I ever observed any official use this signal in regard to a fan situation in over thirty years of officiating high school basketball. Of course, I've never officiated an NCAA Division I game, so I really shouldn't comment on what goes on with the "big boys".

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by asdf

Corchiani also admitted in his tweets that they always get on the officials. But then complained that they were embarrassed in front of their children.
Gugliotta showed his maturity by tipping his cap to the crowd as he was leaving.

Fine example they set for their kids.

If they hadn't been acting like jackasses in the first place, their children might not have been embarrassed. In fact, it is very possible that their behavior up until the ejection was MORE embarrassing.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

If they hadn't been acting like jackasses in the first place, their children might not have been embarrassed. In fact, it is very possible that their behavior up until the ejection was MORE embarrassing.

Exactly !!

Add the embarrassing comments by AD Yow.... and you see what's deemed acceptable in Raleigh.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by asdf

Exactly !!

Add the embarrassing comments by AD Yow.... and you see what's deemed acceptable in Raleigh.

I wouldn't paint with a broad brush here. Certainly, they were surprising comments. What WOULD be interesting would be an ESPN article that chronicles TFs of those two dolts from HS through the end of their careers. But, that would be too much work.

[26 Year Gap]

NCAA Referee's Ejection of Fans Belies a Greater Problem with Sports Culture | Bleacher Report

[truerookie]

Now that the background has come to light. What have I learned from this interaction with individuals on this board.

1. They love their fellow officials.

2. They believe because of your (stature, experience, and reputation) it gives you a free pass to do whatever you want. Because you know others will not challenge you on your behavior.

3. They will attack you personally when you don't see things their way.

4. Once it's confirmed they are wrong, they still try to spin it to make you believe you are still wrong.

5. The discussions on the forum are enlightening and gives you a different perspective on how others view not only officiating but society as a whole. I personally may not agree with others at times. I take what they say into consideration.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Now that the background has come to light. What have I learned from this interaction with individuals on this board.

1. They love their fellow officials.

2. They believe because of your (stature, experience, and reputation) it gives you a free pass to do whatever you want. Because you know others will not challenge you on your behavior.

3. They will attack you personally when you don't see things their way.

4. Once it's confirmed they are wrong, they still try to spin it to make you believe you are still wrong.

5. The discussions on the forum are enlightening and gives you a different perspective on how others view not only officiating but society as a whole. I personally may not agree with others at times. I take what they say into consideration.

How big of you to take the high road.

I just can't find evidence for 2-4 in this thread.

2: No one said he got a free pass, but the benefit of the doubt until more evidence came to light. It was also noted that he can get away with things that other, newer officials with less built-up credibility can.

3. I didn't see any personal attacks against you. A few face palms, perhaps, but no personal attacks. If you took it that way, you've got thinner skin than some have accused Hess of having.

4. This is just ridiculous, but if you could point to a post in this thread where someone spins obvious evidence against their opinion, I'll be happy to silently consider it.

But apparently it makes you feel better to dump on officials to boost your ego. Just like a middle school crowd, but I'm ok with that, and I'm done.

[Welpe]

42. He may not have handled it per procedure but there's still nothing to suggest he was wrong to have them removed.

Edited to add obligatory smiley.