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[Rich]

Originally Posted by tref

At the end of the day this is all that matters.

Thanks for the replies all!

I'm glad I took my partners info & tacked on the T.

I assumed you did. I know that when we had the elbow a few weeks ago (and didn't see it) I wish we had so I could've hit the kid with an intentional (it was during live ball action).

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

By the letter of the two rules, yes. But with the judgement of the situation applied, you could easily come up with either result if you showed the same play to multiple officials.

If I may, let me give an example of what would be a common foul if live but could be construed as intentional contact if the ball is dead.

A1 guarded by B1. A1 makes nice move beats B1 and then as A1 is passing the ball B1 whacks him across the arm. Whistle. Common Foul.

A1 guarded by B1. A1 makes what he thinks is a nice move. Whistle. Travelling. A1 goes to pass the ball to the official in front of him and B1, fully aware the play is dead, whacks A1 across the arm.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

If I may, let me give an example of what would be a common foul if live but could be construed as intentional contact if the ball is dead.

A1 guarded by B1. A1 makes nice move beats B1 and then as A1 is passing the ball B1 whacks him across the arm. Whistle. Common Foul.

A1 guarded by B1. A1 makes what he thinks is a nice move. Whistle. Travelling. A1 goes to pass the ball to the official in front of him and B1, fully aware the play is dead, whacks A1 across the arm.

Apples and oranges. In the latter case, the player hit the opponent just for the hell of it. It wasn't to stop a play they though was ongoing. It is not the same contact situation with the only difference being the status of the ball.

[Welpe]

I had one last Saturday in a boys JH game. Physical game getting chippy and we had a held ball. A1 took exception to something and swung his elbows in a get off me move. He clipped B1 in the chin and I T'd him up. I thought it sent a clear message we weren't going to let them continue down that path with out consequences and it worked.