Ejected Coach Rules Clarification

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

Yep, I am looking for real-world answers to how different areas handle this situation. And I got your answer, "I don't concern myself with it." You can determine from the posts to this point which ones I probably deem informative and which ones not so much.

Yep, I am an official. From what I've heard today, the coach was allowed to be a part of the Senior Night ceremony before the game and then left the gym.

And if he did, are you going to be the person that makes sure he does not participate? What are you going to do when the administration tells you to go jump off a cliff? You going to throw them out of the gym too?

See, this is why you need to talk to your local people. I would not do a thing and probably would not know this took place. I do not stand out and watch those ceremonies anyway. And if someone came and told me that happen, I would be like, "Oh.....OK."

We only control what goes on between the lines, not who participates in some ceremony that could be in the gym or down the hall. Not my/our concern unless there is a policy in place and even then I do not go looking for trouble.

Peace

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And if he did, are you going to be the person that makes sure he does not participate? What are you going to do when the administration tells you to go jump off a cliff? You going to throw them out of the gym too?

See, this is why you need to talk to your local people. I would not do a thing and probably would not know this took place. I do not stand out and watch those ceremonies anyway. And if someone came and told me that happen, I would be like, "Oh.....OK."

We only control what goes on between the lines, not who participates in some ceremony that could be in the gym or down the hall. Not my/our concern unless there is a policy in place and even then I do not go looking for trouble.

Peace

You asked what was done for the local situation. I don't care what was decided, just merely interested as to WHAT would be decided. I'm guessing if it wasn't Senior Night, he wouldn't have been there at all. I'm also guessing that the local assignor told the crew of the decision that was made and to make sure the it was carried out in a reasonable fashion.

I have no clue why some (you) thought I was making the decision for this situation. I've re-read all posts and nowhere did I say "I have to decide what to do." Trust me, if I were, I doubt I'd be coming here for guidance.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

...I'm guessing if it wasn't Senior Night, he wouldn't have been there at all. I'm also guessing that the local assignor told the crew of the decision that was made and to make sure the it was carried out in a reasonable fashion.
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I have my doubts that the crew would be told to make sure the coach was not in the facility. I don't think we have that authority.

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I have my doubts that the crew would be told to make sure the coach was not in the facility. I don't think we have that authority.

Considering it was a home game, I'm sure there were at least a few school personnel that could assist in making happen what needed to happen. It's called using the resources available to you. And I've never had a game where there wasn't gym administration available to get things done for situations, as you say, where we don't have authority. I think that's fairly obvious.

The crew doesn't have to start the game until they're satisfied that things are in order. That's the only authority you need.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

Considering it was a home game, I'm sure there were at least a few school personnel that could assist in making happen what needed to happen. It's called using the resources available to you. And I've never had a game where there wasn't gym administration available to get things done for situations, as you say, where we don't have authority. I think that's fairly obvious.

The crew doesn't have to start the game until they're satisfied that things are in order. That's the only authority you need.

I've never heard of officials being told to mess with this. Ever. It's a lot like player eligibility. It's up to the school to comply, and between them and the state if they don't. Similarly, what compliance looks like is beyond my scope.

We enforce ejections and disqualifications, we don't enforce suspensions.

[rockyroad]

IUgrad, I had a game last season where the Head Coach had been ejected and was NOT supposed to be in the gym. Got a call from my assignor on the way to the gym telling us that if the HC was there, don't worry about it, don't try to do anything about it, just call him (the assignor) back after the game and let him know and he would report it to the State.

We have no authority to enforce the State's policy - that's up to the school. We simply report.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

In my state the coach is disqualified for that contest and suspended for the next.A lot of schools have security in their gym or readily available to enforce an ejection should it become necessary. Attendance at the contest where the coach should be suspended results in automatic forefeiture.Here is California's ejection rule-

1624. COACH EJECTION
Upon ejection, the head or assistant coach shall be disqualified from participating in the remainder of the game and will be ineligible for the team’s next contest. The next contest may not be a forfeited, postponed or canceled game. A second ejection will constitute a two contest suspension and a third ejection will cause suspension for the remainder of the season. A coach who was ejected from the previous contest who, knowingly or unknowingly, participates in or is in attendance at the next contest, will result in the forfeiture of that contest.

QUESTION: What is meant by attendance at a contest?
ANSWER: Attendance is defined as being present at the team bench/area, inside a gymnasium, stadium or playing area. The intent of this rule is that the ejected person is not present at the next contest.
QUESTION: How does the Accountability Rule affect a coach who coaches more than one level of a particular sport?
ANSWER: A coach who has been ejected from a contest may not be in attendance at ANY contest prior to serving his/her mandatory suspension. (i.e.: An ejected JV coach who is also a varsity assistant may NOT be in attendance at any contest until his/her mandatory JV suspension has been completed.)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

Considering it was a home game, I'm sure there were at least a few school personnel that could assist in making happen what needed to happen. It's called using the resources available to you. And I've never had a game where there wasn't gym administration available to get things done for situations, as you say, where we don't have authority. I think that's fairly obvious.

The crew doesn't have to start the game until they're satisfied that things are in order. That's the only authority you need.

It is not a matter of us having the authority to remove the coach, it is not our place to even say anything about it unless they're doing something in the current game that would get them removed. They're just a spectator (or a coach for which we do not determine eligibility).

If their suspension requires that they be out of the gym, that is an issue for the state/league. If it is reported and confirmed, the state/league will be the one to deal with it. The penalty for not obeying the suspension may be that they forfeit that game (that is what the state has done here when a coach violated his suspension by being in the gym).

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not stand out and watch those ceremonies anyway.

Whoa...how do you guys get out of that?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Whoa...how do you guys get out of that?

Did the two prelim games at senior night Tuesday. Freshman game went OT. JV game went 2 OT. We must have called 120 fouls. Senior night ceremony. Varsity game started more than 90 minutes late.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Did the two prelim games at senior night Tuesday. Freshman game went OT. JV game went 2 OT. We must have called 120 fouls. Senior night ceremony. Varsity game started more than 90 minutes late.

Wow...90 minutes late!

We were 35 minutes late Tuesday night because of Senior night.

I don't want to sound like it's that big a deal...but, just saying.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Wow...90 minutes late!

We were 35 minutes late Tuesday night because of Senior night.

I don't want to sound like it's that big a deal...but, just saying.

Three overtimes will do that when combined with 120 fouls that needed callin.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Whoa...how do you guys get out of that?

If we know there is a ceremony we ask for the time frames and let game admin know we're going go back to the locker room during the ceremony.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Whoa...how do you guys get out of that?

Easy, it has nothing to do with us. There was a Senior night tonight and we did not come out until the ceremony was over. No one makes us be there as it is not apart of our job description.

Peace