Backcourt...Again

[Triad zebra]

A1 throw in to A2 in frontcourt near division line. A2 never has control and fumbles the pass into the backcourt and retrieves it. No violation.. correct? Even though the new rule says there is team control on throw in.

[Raymond]

Based on all the discussions we've had on this subject what element do you think is missing that prevents this from being a backcourt violation?

I know you were involved in one of the discussions.

[Triad zebra]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Based on all the discussions we've had on this subject what element do you think is missing that prevents this from being a backcourt violation?

No team control?

[McMac]

Wasn't there a couple plays in NCAA in Nov/Dec where this exact scenario happened. They said that because there was no PC inbounds, FC status for the ball has not been established, therefore no BC violation. And by the Transitive Property (math teacher) the NCAA and NFHS rules are similar on throw-in provisions in this case, I say no violation.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Triad zebra

No team control?

There is TC from the beginning of the throw-in. You even stated so above.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

There is TC from the beginning of the throw-in. You even stated so above.

There may be tc, but not TC.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

There may be tc, but not TC.

"I like her, but I don't LIKE LIKE her."

[Triad zebra]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

There is TC from the beginning of the throw-in. You even stated so above.

I believe the TC that I mentioned only applies to the throw-in in case there is a foul?

BktBallRef: 9-9-1 2011-2012 says Team control and Player Control.
2010-2011 only says Team Control. I believe we discussed in an earlier thread where the wording was inadvertantly changed in the rule book and the 2011-2012 is an error.
The OP is no BC due to neither Player nor Team control exists.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Triad zebra

I believe the TC that I mentioned only applies to the throw-in in case there is a foul?

BktBallRef: 9-9-1 2011-2012 says Team control and Player Control.
2010-2011 only says Team Control. I believe we discussed in an earlier thread where the wording was inadvertantly changed in the rule book and the 2011-2012 is an error.
The OP is no BC due to neither Player nor Team control exists.

Basically all you need to know is that we handle plays, as it relates to backcourt violations, three second count and 10 second count the exact same way as before. The purpose of adding team control to include throw-ins was to not award bonus free throws if the throw-in team commits a foul.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Triad zebra

I believe the TC that I mentioned only applies to the throw-in in case there is a foul?

BktBallRef: 9-9-1 2011-2012 says Team control and Player Control.
2010-2011 only says Team Control. I believe we discussed in an earlier thread where the wording was inadvertantly changed in the rule book and the 2011-2012 is an error.
The OP is no BC due to neither Player nor Team control exists.

TC does exist. TC does not end when the throw-in is released. It is not a BC violation because player control had not yet been established.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Triad zebra

A1 throw in to A2 in frontcourt near division line. A2 never has control and fumbles the pass into the backcourt and retrieves it. No violation.. correct? Even though the new rule says there is team control on throw in.

Read 9-9-1 and then tell us what you think.