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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:04am
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I can guarantee failing to raise your hand on a personal foul was a technical foul in the 1973-74 season. Not sure before that--raising the hand may have been recommended previously, or maybe failure to raise in defiance could have been T'd--but for that one season at least, it was mandatory.

Went a long way in costing us a conference championship. Bad memory.

I believe it was the next season, when the rule and penalty were scrapped.
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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 11:56am
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I can guarantee failing to raise your hand on a personal foul was a technical foul in the 1973-74 season.
I believe it was the next season, when the rule and penalty were scrapped.
I can guarantee that failing to raise your hand on a PF was a technical in the 1993-1994 season in IA. One of my best friends got Td up in a JV game for that offense. He thought the foul was on someone else and was listening to our coach give instructions and not paying attention to the official asking him twice to raise his hand. No third request came...whack!
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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:31pm
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I can guarantee that failing to raise your hand on a PF was a technical in the 1993-1994 season in IA. One of my best friends got Td up in a JV game for that offense. He thought the foul was on someone else and was listening to our coach give instructions and not paying attention to the official asking him twice to raise his hand. No third request came...whack!
Probably Iowa's rule. Would not have been a NFHS rule in '94.
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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:33pm
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We had a kid raise his hand on Tuesday night to try to draw a fifth foul away from a teammate. Didn't work.
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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 01:21pm
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We had a kid raise his hand on Tuesday night to try to draw a fifth foul away from a teammate. Didn't work.
Did you T him up for lying to you?
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Did you T him up for lying to you?
"Call it on me" is an order.
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Probably Iowa's rule. Would not have been a NFHS rule in '94.
No it wasn't. It was a phantom rule, only enforced by relic officials who never bothered to read about rule changes.
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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 09:46pm
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No it wasn't. It was a phantom rule, only enforced by relic officials who never bothered to read about rule changes.
If that's true, then every single official that did our JV games that year was a relic official. In fact, the requirement to raise a hand was brought up in every captain's meeting that year. Maybe it was just a conference or area thing.
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Old Fri Jan 13, 2012, 09:37am
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If that's true, then every single official that did our JV games that year was a relic official. In fact, the requirement to raise a hand was brought up in every captain's meeting that year. Maybe it was just a conference or area thing.
Your team had a T in every game?

I played high school ball (in Iowa) up until the 91-92 season; it was not a requirement then. I first started officiating in the 93-94 season, and while I was by no means an expert (I convinced a partner that the coach could choose any player to shoot FTs when his shooter was injured), I'm pretty sure this wasn't in there.

In my playing days, I recall hearing that the rule was no longer in effect but some officials still enforced it (for whatever reason).
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Old Fri Jan 13, 2012, 10:15am
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If you think that was a long time ago...

...does anyone remember the table crew having five numbered (1-5) ping pong type paddles? Bookkeeper/clock operator would hold up the respective numbered paddle to indicate # of fouls on that particular player after official reported.
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I can guarantee that failing to raise your hand on a PF was a technical in the 1993-1994 season in IA. One of my best friends got Td up in a JV game for that offense. He thought the foul was on someone else and was listening to our coach give instructions and not paying attention to the official asking him twice to raise his hand. No third request came...whack!

If Iowa was using NFHS Rules back then, then your friend should not have received a TF because the "raise the hand" requirement had been removed many years before that.

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If Iowa was using NFHS Rules back then, then your friend should not have received a TF because the "raise the hand" requirement had been removed many years before that.

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That was the first year I started officiating (in college), and it was not a part of the IHSAA or the IGHSAU adaptations.

I do, however, recall being warned when I played (late 80s early 90s) that if an official asked you to raise your hand, you were better off doing it regardless of what the actual rule said.

Sort of like officials enforcing the old lack of action (or whatever it was called) rule long after it disappeared from the book.
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If Iowa was using NFHS Rules back then, then your friend should not have received a TF because the "raise the hand" requirement had been removed many years before that.

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I guess it is not a correctable error at this point.
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