Player Raising His/Her Hand When They Commit a Foul

[KCRC]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No it wasn't. It was a phantom rule, only enforced by relic officials who never bothered to read about rule changes.

If that's true, then every single official that did our JV games that year was a relic official. In fact, the requirement to raise a hand was brought up in every captain's meeting that year. Maybe it was just a conference or area thing.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

It was a dumb practice, IMO. As was the bird-dog.
Some things change for good reasons.

Well in most mechanics that are written, bird dogging has not gone away. And it still has its place if you ask me.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well in most mechanics that are written, bird dogging has not gone away. And it still has its place if you ask me.

Peace

I like it, in certain situations. Two guys giving the open palm "WHO? ME??" What better way to inform one than to point him out.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by KCRC

If that's true, then every single official that did our JV games that year was a relic official. In fact, the requirement to raise a hand was brought up in every captain's meeting that year. Maybe it was just a conference or area thing.

Your team had a T in every game?

I played high school ball (in Iowa) up until the 91-92 season; it was not a requirement then. I first started officiating in the 93-94 season, and while I was by no means an expert (I convinced a partner that the coach could choose any player to shoot FTs when his shooter was injured), I'm pretty sure this wasn't in there.

In my playing days, I recall hearing that the rule was no longer in effect but some officials still enforced it (for whatever reason).

[letemplay]

...does anyone remember the table crew having five numbered (1-5) ping pong type paddles? Bookkeeper/clock operator would hold up the respective numbered paddle to indicate # of fouls on that particular player after official reported.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by letemplay

...does anyone remember the table crew having five numbered (1-5) ping pong type paddles? Bookkeeper/clock operator would hold up the respective numbered paddle to indicate # of fouls on that particular player after official reported.

Was that ever a requirement, or just something some tables did? I've also seen tables with light standards, and they'd light up the appropriate number.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well in most mechanics that are written, bird dogging has not gone away. And it still has its place if you ask me.

Peace

I may do it once or twice a game.

What I'm talking about (being ridiculous) is the requirement to thrust the fist straight up in the air (as if startled) and then make an exaggerated palm-down birddog at the fouler's waist. On EVERY foul.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I may do it once or twice a game.

What I'm talking about (being ridiculous) is the requirement to thrust the fist straight up in the air (as if startled) and then make an exaggerated palm-down birddog at the fouler's waist. On EVERY foul.

I totally agree with you about doing it on every foul. That was silly when a play is on the perimeter and everyone knew who the foul was on. I was more referring to the play near the basket where there is a possible crash, but the player from behind pulls his arm and clearly fouls from your angle, and the player that crashed into the shooter thinks it was him. And I do use it sparingly. Not sure I use it every game, but I do use it.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I totally agree with you about doing it on every foul. That was silly when a play is on the perimeter and everyone knew who the foul was on. I was more referring to the play near the basket where there is a possible crash, but the player from behind pulls his arm and clearly fouls from your angle, and the player that crashed into the shooter thinks it was him. And I do use it sparingly. Not sure I use it every game, but I do use it.

Peace

Here's a good video:

Bird dog, belted pants, Byron collars, chair thrown across the court....

Bobby Knight throws a chair (High Quality) - YouTube

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Here's a good video:

Bird dog, belted pants, Byron collars, chair thrown across the court....

Bobby Knight throws a chair (High Quality) - YouTube

Football isn't the only sport where the officiating has changed a lot over the years.

Hey where'd the three point line go?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The requirement to thrust the fist straight up in the air and then make an exaggerated palm-down birddog at the fouler's waist. On every foul.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I totally agree with you about doing it on every foul.

From the IAABO mechanics manual (page 52, A, 4) When clarification is necessary, extend the other arm, with palm down, toward the fouler's midsection.

I don't have access to a NFHS manual.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

From the IAABO mechanics manual (page 52, A, 4) When clarification is necessary, extend the other arm, with palm down, toward the fouler's midsection. I don't have access to a NFHS manual.

NFHS 2.4.2.B.1. - "When clarification is needed, delay and extend the other hand, palm down toward the fouling player's hips (bird-dog signal)." And the faceless Mr. Pictograph guy at the back of the books shows illustration #5, the pic with the "stop clock for foul", with the parenthetical phrase "optional bird dog".
Don't see it much here, only when clarification is indeed necessary.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Freddy

There's two things that go when you get old: memory, . . . and I can't remember what the other thing is. Anyway . . .

Hand up after official's birddog that a foul was committed was still a rule back when I started back in '76, back in the college days. The only trouble we had then was when players would put a hand up and then swipe it down in an unsportsmanlike fashion. Usually good for at least one T late in each game. Not sure if it was a state thing or Fed thing back then. Must've changed sometime after that because it wasn't by rule a requirement later when I then resumed activity in the coaching ranks. Of course, those old days still had real jump balls -- oops, sorry, I know that's a sensitive subject with some.

As a junior in HS, during the 73-74 season, we had to raise our hands. As a senior, it became optional. The rationale for the change was twofold--the sportsmanship issue as mentioned above, and the fed did not want players to "feel guilty" by having to raise hands after committing a foul. I did not read the whole thread, so MTD may have already been to his attic.

[CMHCoachNRef]

The NBA rule changed in 1975. Up until that time, the players had to raise their hands. I believe that the rule changed while I was in HS (mid 1970s).

My most vivid memory of the rule was during a junior game in which I participated as a player. We were playing a team for the fifth time during the same season -- we met them several times in tournaments. We had lost the previous four meetings. We got ahead of them during the first half. A couple of their players were known hot heads. They ended up having numerous technical fouls assessed against them for raising both hands in the air and slamming them down. They had five or so T's called on them. Of course, the technical fouls did NOT count as team fouls. As I recall, we only got one free throw for each technical foul. We did win the game.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by KCRC

I can guarantee that failing to raise your hand on a PF was a technical in the 1993-1994 season in IA. One of my best friends got Td up in a JV game for that offense. He thought the foul was on someone else and was listening to our coach give instructions and not paying attention to the official asking him twice to raise his hand. No third request came...whack!

If Iowa was using NFHS Rules back then, then your friend should not have received a TF because the "raise the hand" requirement had been removed many years before that.

MTD, Sr.