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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:10am
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Honestly, I have to wonder what in the hell the rules makers were thinking with that one.
Did the officials report the fouls, too, back then?
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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:24am
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Did the officials report the fouls, too, back then?
Yes. The raised hand was supposed to assist the scorekeeper with confirmation of who committed the foul.

Furthermore, as an indication of how things changed since then, there was a lot more "Yep, I did it" kinda attitude common with players back then. Hardly ever did we have to tell a player to raise his/her hand. When the birddog nailed them, they most normally fessed up, the hand was raised and lowered, the foul was reported, and life went on.
Usually followed soon by a jump ball.
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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:29am
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And when it was a rule, and even afterward, the wrong player often raised his hand intentionally to try to take a foul from another player. It still happens occasionally.
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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 11:26am
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And when it was a rule, and even afterward, the wrong player often raised his hand intentionally to try to take a foul from another player. It still happens occasionally.
Yep, have had that tried in a couple of my games as well. Attention to detail while reporting is a good thing (official scorer, that is).
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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 11:31am
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It was a dumb practice, IMO. As was the bird-dog. As was, without a doubt, the requirement of the trail official to initiate a rotation across the court in order to put the officials "in the Cadillac."

Some things change for good reasons.

OTOH, I still think the trail going tableside on a foul in 2-person is awful. I think the person counting, chopping, etc. should be opposite. Nobody asked me, though.
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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 09:48pm
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It was a dumb practice, IMO. As was the bird-dog.
Some things change for good reasons.
Well in most mechanics that are written, bird dogging has not gone away. And it still has its place if you ask me.

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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 11:57pm
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Well in most mechanics that are written, bird dogging has not gone away. And it still has its place if you ask me.

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I like it, in certain situations. Two guys giving the open palm "WHO? ME??" What better way to inform one than to point him out.
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Old Fri Jan 13, 2012, 10:35am
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Well in most mechanics that are written, bird dogging has not gone away. And it still has its place if you ask me.

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I may do it once or twice a game.

What I'm talking about (being ridiculous) is the requirement to thrust the fist straight up in the air (as if startled) and then make an exaggerated palm-down birddog at the fouler's waist. On EVERY foul.
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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:25pm
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Yep, have had that tried in a couple of my games as well.
Really? Seldom does anyone raise their hand that I've seen around here, let alone the wrong player.

Just the same, would any decent scorekeeper pay attention to a raised arm instead of the reporting official?
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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:28pm
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Really? Seldom does anyone raise their hand that I've seen around here, let alone the wrong player.

Just the same, would any decent scorekeeper pay attention to a raised arm instead of the reporting official?
I'm not talking about confusing the scorekeeper. In a crowd, are you always 100% sure who committed the foul?
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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:29pm
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I see more hands up showing " I didn't foul" than ones showing they did
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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 02:03pm
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Really? Seldom does anyone raise their hand that I've seen around here, let alone the wrong player.

Just the same, would any decent scorekeeper pay attention to a raised arm instead of the reporting official?
Yep, really. Believe it or not, some coaches actually encourage the behavior on the off chance it might possibly get a foul pulled away from one of their better players. Scandalous.

Didn't say it happened often; just that it has happened before.
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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 02:22pm
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Yep, really. Believe it or not, some coaches actually encourage the behavior on the off chance it might possibly get a foul pulled away from one of their better players. Scandalous.


Beliveable, for sure. Still, I question its effectiveness. How many scorekeepers look for the raised hand, as opposed to the official's report?
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In more modern times, I've had players try to take the fall for their teammates by raising their hand, thinking I'll give the foul to them instead of their star big man.

Don't fall for that!
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