Uncalled Cheap Shots

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Originally Posted by rwest

I didn't see play number 1 the same way you did. It looked to me like he moved to try and block the shot. #5 was definitely flagrant. # 1 didn't seem to me that he was "dangerously throwing" his weight around like number 5. or foul number 3.

Not sure what you mean about the way I saw play #1. At that point I would likely not go intentional, and certainly not flagrant, but would have said something to him about "playing the ball, etc."

The second foul from #34 I'm probably going intentional given what's transpired. Of course we are only seeing selected plays from the game but I've seen enough basketball to highly doubt that there is any other video evidence from that game that would change how I feel about #34's play and the things that should be done from an officiating standpoint in a similar situation.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think most of us are saying anything. I think there is a lot of disagreement on what is and what is not flagrant and on play one I have not seen most advocating for that being a flagrant foul.

Probably is a lot of disagreement on what is flagrant and what is NOT in general. And I havent seen anyone really advocating for the 1st one here being flagrant either. So I'm not really sure what you're saying here.

But I probably shouldnt speak on what "most are saying" was just my personal opinion on what I thought was consensus in this thread was about how officials should deal with #34 and similar situations.

I think if we did not see a compilation of plays and just one play at different times, I honestly believe there would be a very different reaction. I think we are overstepping what most of us would do and considering I have very rarely ever seen an flagrant foul, let alone called one personally for contact, I doubt many here would go right to that place easily.

Peace

If we saw them all independently then of course you look at it differently. But the video shows a number of plays. If they happened in sequence then again, I have a really hard time believing anthing else is on tape from that game that would change my mind. And even if they are out of sequence I really don't think that would happen either.

I've personally never called, and have rarely seen, a flagrant either but I'm pretty sure I'm going flagrant on #5 unless maybe it's the first in that sequence.

But I guess I'm more trusting the video evidence here more than others. Of course there's a chance I'm wrong but I think I've got a pretty good picture of what happened in that game. And I think most of us know, and are in agreement but the general way of how we would handled it if that's the case.

In fact I think you said it well that what stood out was the complete lack of awareness of this crew.