Uncalled Cheap Shots

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Okay, here's my take.

#3, this is the one foul I have as flagrant. That's an intentional elbow to the shooter's head. In the NCAA, they're reviewing that and he's gone.

#5, I have an INT foul here, not a flagrant. Yes, he hits the floor hard but the contact is not flagrant. #5 looks bad but the contact in #3 is more savage.

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Bktballref, I guess I'm not following your reasoning here. I agree that #3 is flagrant, but it seems like #5 should be also. He makes no play on the ball, simply reaches out and grabs the red player by the side of the head and slams him down. How do you see that contact as not flagrant? A "clothesline" play like that seems pretty flagrant to me.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Bktballref, I guess I'm not following your reasoning here. I agree that #3 is flagrant, but it seems like #5 should be also. He makes no play on the ball, simply reaches out and grabs the red player by the side of the head and slams him down. How do you see that contact as not flagrant? A "clothesline" play like that seems pretty flagrant to me.

Here's a good question: you are on the crew, and you see that, and that your partner has a regular foul. Do you intervene and throw him out? You see a vicious and intentional shot to the head, and you partner has a common foul. How far do you take it?

I'd expect any of the crew to be able to throw someone out if they witness something like this.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Here's a good question: you are on the crew, and you see that, and that your partner has a regular foul. Do you intervene and throw him out? You see a vicious and intentional shot to the head, and you partner has a common foul. How far do you take it?

I'd expect any of the crew to be able to throw someone out if they witness something like this.

Hmmmm...I guess you could. I don't think I would just step in there and give the toss "signal". I would get in there and stop my partner and have a conversation with him/her and do my best to convince him/her that we needed to toss the kid.

Now if I had a whistle on the play also, then yes - I would be comfortable giving the toss "signal" right away.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

hmmmm...i guess you could. I don't think i would just step in there and give the toss "signal". I would get in there and stop my partner and have a conversation with him/her and do my best to convince him/her that we needed to toss the kid.

Now if i had a whistle on the play also, then yes - i would be comfortable giving the toss "signal" right away.

+1

[stiffler3492]

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[Brad]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Bktballref, I guess I'm not following your reasoning here. I agree that #3 is flagrant, but it seems like #5 should be also. He makes no play on the ball, simply reaches out and grabs the red player by the side of the head and slams him down. How do you see that contact as not flagrant? A "clothesline" play like that seems pretty flagrant to me.

Agree ... it's totally a non-basketball play.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Bktballref, I guess I'm not following your reasoning here. I agree that #3 is flagrant, but it seems like #5 should be also. He makes no play on the ball, simply reaches out and grabs the red player by the side of the head and slams him down. How do you see that contact as not flagrant? A "clothesline" play like that seems pretty flagrant to me.

I didn't see him grab the side of his head. I saw him come across under his arm.

It's kind of like watching a high hit in football and trying to determine instantaneously whether it was helmet to helmet or not.

I'll watch it again tomorrow.