Goaltending on Backboard Slap

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Tio

So let's pose a scenario.

The team who the goaltending and subsequent Technical foul is assessed against loses a close ballgame and the game is huge for playoff implications.

In the locker room after the game, you ask your partner about the call and he says "The defender hit the backboard causing the ball to pop out of the ring. The coach was wrong, that was a goaltending violation."

Now your supervisor is on the phone wanting to know what you did as crew chief to ensure the play was handled correctly. What do you say?

The same thing I would have done to ensure his backcourt call was correct. If it's obvious that the ball wasn't touched, I'll initiate a conversation. If it's not, I'll assume he saw hand on ball when he made the call.

If my assigner wants to press, I'll ask him if he can tell me which calls I should be challenging my partners on to make sure they understand the rules. If I'm feeling particularly snippy, I'll tell him I assumed the partner he assigned me knew the rules.

[Tio]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The same thing I would have done to ensure his backcourt call was correct. If it's obvious that the ball wasn't touched, I'll initiate a conversation. If it's not, I'll assume he saw hand on ball when he made the call.

If my assigner wants to press, I'll ask him if he can tell me which calls I should be challenging my partners on to make sure they understand the rules. If I'm feeling particularly snippy, I'll tell him I assumed the partner he assigned me knew the rules.

I think you are missing the entire point myself and many others are trying to get across, but that is fine... everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

IMO - this deserves at minimum a conversation. I have seen guys lose games and in some cases careers derailed based on incorrect rules applications. And it almost always affects the entire crew. Do you want your partner's poor decision to impact your schedule, playoff assignments, etc?

But the bottom line is, our #1 job every night is to do what is right for the game - to get our plays right. This didn't happen in this case, and so hopefully the crew can learn from it and get the play right next time.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Tio

I think you are missing the entire point myself and many others are trying to get across, but that is fine... everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

IMO - this deserves at minimum a conversation. I have seen guys lose games and in some cases careers derailed based on incorrect rules applications. And it almost always affects the entire crew. Do you want your partner's poor decision to impact your schedule, playoff assignments, etc?

But the bottom line is, our #1 job every night is to do what is right for the game - to get our plays right. This didn't happen in this case, and so hopefully the crew can learn from it and get the play right next time.

I'm not missing anything that's being said. Things like "I'm not letting a rule get misapplied in my game" are what I'm responding to. Frankly, you can't possibly stop it unless you question every call your partner makes.

A trails by 3 with 3 seconds left. 3 man crew, you're T for a FC throw-in on the endline near the 3 pt line. A1, after throwing the pass, receives a return pass just as his foot hits the floor IB (barely). L calls OOB. A coach goes ballistic and gets a T, B makes the FTs and the game ends.

In the locker room, the L starts talking about how the coach doesn't obviously doesn't know the rule that says a player must establish two feet in bounds after he's been OOB. What do you tell your assigner when he asks you what you did as the R to make sure the play was handled correctly?

[Tio]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm not missing anything that's being said. Things like "I'm not letting a rule get misapplied in my game" are what I'm responding to. Frankly, you can't possibly stop it unless you question every call your partner makes.

A trails by 3 with 3 seconds left. 3 man crew, you're T for a FC throw-in on the endline near the 3 pt line. A1, after throwing the pass, receives a return pass just as his foot hits the floor IB (barely). L calls OOB. A coach goes ballistic and gets a T, B makes the FTs and the game ends.

In the locker room, the L starts talking about how the coach doesn't obviously doesn't know the rule that says a player must establish two feet in bounds after he's been OOB. What do you tell your assigner when he asks you what you did as the R to make sure the play was handled correctly?

You have a fair point...although, I don't think the situation in the OP and the scenario you have drawn up are the same.

We have blurred the lines between changing the call and asssessing the correct penalty for the infraction. The key topic from the OP is that latter.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Tio

You have a fair point...although, I don't think the situation in the OP and the scenario you have drawn up are the same.

We have blurred the lines between changing the call and asssessing the correct penalty for the infraction. The key topic from the OP is that latter.

Both involve a legal play that was ruled a violation due to a misapplication of the rules.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by Tio

I think you are missing the entire point myself and many others are trying to get across, but that is fine... everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

IMO - this deserves at minimum a conversation. I have seen guys lose games and in some cases careers derailed based on incorrect rules applications. And it almost always affects the entire crew. Do you want your partner's poor decision to impact your schedule, playoff assignments, etc?

But the bottom line is, our #1 job every night is to do what is right for the game - to get our plays right. This didn't happen in this case, and so hopefully the crew can learn from it and get the play right next time.

Just my opinion here, but my knee-jerk reaction at this point in my career and for the games I work is that 1) conversations on calls like this - where partners do not have definite info on, for example, the defender not touching the ball - undermine the credibility and believability of the crew for the rest of the game, and 2) this type of "learning from it" needs to happen in the locker room at half time or post game, because my partners and I should know these pretty basic rules. At lower-level games, I suppose on-court discussion-stuff could be situationally appropriate, though - so I guess it could be relative to the situation.