stupid kid; stupid parent

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

Did you ever play the game?!

Sounds like something an idiot fan would ask.

What a stupid remark.

[7IronRef]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Wasn't disrespectful? A sixth grader addressing an adult and an official to boot? While not profane 'crap' from a sixth grader should not be part of his/her vocabulary

And by the way, My kids are Catholic and are automatically guilty until proven innocent!

funny, but if true, sad

Let's keep religion out of this

my kids are allowed to have an opinion, my kids are sometimes right, my kids should not be baited by adults - kids always lose under those circumstances.

You have forgotten what a 6th graders life is like. Go to any grade school and you will hear kids (not mine, I believe) using more colorful language. I understand tone and disagreement play a factor, but the OP does not cross a line with me.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Sounds like something an idiot fan would ask.

What a stupid remark.

Do to a formatting error, I missed that one. I'm doubting at this point whether 7iron is an actual official.

My answer: yes, so?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Do to a formatting error, I missed that one. I'm doubting at this point whether 7iron is an actual official.

My answer: yes, so?

Can I join the club?

[7IronRef]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Sounds like something an idiot fan would ask.

What a stupid remark.

Of course you would say that, unreasonable people see it as an attack, when it is simply a question of reference.

As players we have all said something under our breath from time to time. As an official we say things under our breath. As spouses, employees, etc. we say things under our breath. Is it best that every comment be penalized? Not in my opinion.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

I did. You quoted my comment about it not being disrespectful. Your reference to profanity is in regard to a diff situation.

I said, the entire post. You missed the line above regarding under one's breath.

I'll give far more leeway to a high school player than to a sixth grader regarding under-one's-breath comments. A sixth grader will get no leeway at all. I'd also go right to a T, even if it were under his breath.

Ultimately, though, Welpe summed it up nicely. Mostly, these are HTBT situations.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

Of course you would say that, unreasonable people see it as an attack, when it is simply a question of reference.

As players we have all said something under our breath from time to time. As an official we say things under our breath. As spouses, employees, etc. we say things under our breath. Is it best that every comment be penalized? Not in my opinion.

No, he doesn't see it as an attack. He sees it as an irrelevant question that only a fan or parent would ask.

As a spouse, if and when I say things under my breath, I'd better hope it's truly under my breath and my wife doesn't hear it. Like I said before, if I can hear it, it's not under his breath.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Can I join the club?

Sure, I'm guessing neither of us is first or second.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

Of course you would say that, unreasonable people see it as an attack, when it is simply a question of reference.

As players we have all said something under our breath from time to time. As an official we say things under our breath. As spouses, employees, etc. we say things under our breath. Is it best that every comment be penalized? Not in my opinion.

I see it for what it is, something that I've only heard from ignorant people like fans and coaches who think you had to have played a game to be able to officiate it. It's IRRELEVANT.

And again, everyone but you seems to agree, if I hear it then he did NOT say it under his breath. For all we know he meant to say it loud enough for the closest official to hear it. Happens all the time.


I'm not saying that I would T this up. But it's certainly not appropriate! And if I didn't T it, you can better believe I'll let the kid know it's not acceptable behavior.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

funny, but if true, sad

Let's keep religion out of this

my kids are allowed to have an opinion, my kids are sometimes right, my kids should not be baited by adults - kids always lose under those circumstances.

You have forgotten what a 6th graders life is like. Go to any grade school and you will hear kids (not mine, I believe) using more colorful language. I understand tone and disagreement play a factor, but the OP does not cross a line with me.

We will leave it at funny........

I have two kids who are doing really well in all areas, thank you , and probably what I'm most proud of is they treat people with respect. How shallow to think if everyone is using foul language, it's ok to lower the bar. Not how I was raised.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fullor30

We will leave it at funny........

I have two kids who are doing really well in all areas, thank you , and probably what I'm most proud of is they treat people with respect. How shallow to think if everyone is using foul language, it's ok to lower the bar. Not how I was raised.

Yep, and I happen to have a sixth grader sitting next to me watching TV right now. No way I'd back her up on this. She'd be apologizing to the official.

And it's not the word "crap" for me, either. He could have said "that call was a bunch of garbage" and my response would be the same.

[7IronRef]

Thanks for offering of opinions as always. I accept that people see it differently and I agree with HTBT, but the OP presented it for discussion, the context is what was stated.

Not that it matters, but I really am an official (level does not matter, but if you need to know, you can PM me).

For those of you that said this is a TF, good luck calling it consistently and stop baiting 6th graders.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by fullor30

How shallow to think if everyone is using foul language, it's ok to lower the bar. Not how I was raised.

+1

We're the role models here. We're supposed to be setting the bar, not adjusting it to their desires.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I see it for what it is, something that I've only heard from ignorant people like fans and coaches who think you had to have played a game to be able to officiate it. It's IRRELEVANT.

Yes, and for another reason. NEVER have I met an official that NEVER played the game. Some certainly played at higher levels than others, but none have never played, at least not to my knowledge.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

And again, everyone but you seems to agree, if I hear it then he did NOT say it under his breath.

Actually, my definition differs here a bit. If I believe I'm the ONLY one that heard it, and the words weren't directed at anyone, then I'd call that under one's breath.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

For those of you that said this is a TF, good luck calling it consistently and stop baiting 6th graders.

I don't get what you think is so difficult about this.

Originally Posted by bainsey

Actually, my definition differs here a bit. If I believe I'm the ONLY one that heard it, and the words weren't directed at anyone, then I'd call that under one's breath.

Fair enough, but there's nothing about "under his breath" in the rules that makes it legal. The point is, if it's loud enough for an official to hear it, it's loud enough to be susceptible to a T.

A coach addressing his players doesn't get a free pass just because he's talking to his players. Had a YMCA coach discussing the foul count with the table at half time; I addressed it with her.

[asdf]

If you change the setting in this situation from the basketball court to the 6th grade math class or the 6th grader's own home and the teacher or parent respond's with "what did you say ??"......

It's not baiting.

If the kid repeats the comment, he should get punished.