stupid kid; stupid parent

[7IronRef]

Sounds like over officiating to me.

TF's are supposed to improve the game and I don't see that in this case. So what if a 6th grader thought and said the call was crap (unless he said it loud enough that it could not have been overlooked - which wasn't the case "under his breath"). The player had just fouled out, made a comment, was asked to repeat it by an adult/authority figure, got T'd for it - baited in my opinion.

Let it go, maybe say something to the coach and move on. Remember that at least one person is going to think any call or no-call is crap depending on their POV.

BTW, of course a parent is going to stick up for their child, especially when there was no profanity involved and it wasn't disrepectful.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

TF's are supposed to improve the game

Sorry, but I don't buy that. It's nice when TFs do improve the game (ones that stop a coach from complaining on every trip, for example), but many technical fouls cause dead time where people can focus even more on the technical itself. That doesn't mean that a technical foul should be avoided.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

Sounds like over officiating to me.

TF's are supposed to improve the game and I don't see that in this case. So what if a 6th grader thought and said the call was crap (unless he said it loud enough that it could not have been overlooked - which wasn't the case "under his breath"). The player had just fouled out, made a comment, was asked to repeat it by an adult/authority figure, got T'd for it - baited in my opinion.

Let it go, maybe say something to the coach and move on. Remember that at least one person is going to think any call or no-call is crap depending on their POV.

BTW, of course a parent is going to stick up for their child, especially when there was no profanity involved and it wasn't disrepectful.

Wasn't disrespectful? A sixth grader addressing an adult and an official to boot? While not profane 'crap' from a sixth grader should not be part of his/her vocabulary

And by the way, My kids are Catholic and are automatically guilty until proven innocent!

[7IronRef]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Wasn't disrespectful? A sixth grader addressing an adult and an official to boot? While not profane 'crap' from a sixth grader should not be part of his/her vocabulary

And by the way, My kids are Catholic and are automatically guilty until proven innocent!

funny, but if true, sad

Let's keep religion out of this

my kids are allowed to have an opinion, my kids are sometimes right, my kids should not be baited by adults - kids always lose under those circumstances.

You have forgotten what a 6th graders life is like. Go to any grade school and you will hear kids (not mine, I believe) using more colorful language. I understand tone and disagreement play a factor, but the OP does not cross a line with me.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

funny, but if true, sad

Let's keep religion out of this

my kids are allowed to have an opinion, my kids are sometimes right, my kids should not be baited by adults - kids always lose under those circumstances.

You have forgotten what a 6th graders life is like. Go to any grade school and you will hear kids (not mine, I believe) using more colorful language. I understand tone and disagreement play a factor, but the OP does not cross a line with me.

We will leave it at funny........

I have two kids who are doing really well in all areas, thank you , and probably what I'm most proud of is they treat people with respect. How shallow to think if everyone is using foul language, it's ok to lower the bar. Not how I was raised.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fullor30

We will leave it at funny........

I have two kids who are doing really well in all areas, thank you , and probably what I'm most proud of is they treat people with respect. How shallow to think if everyone is using foul language, it's ok to lower the bar. Not how I was raised.

Yep, and I happen to have a sixth grader sitting next to me watching TV right now. No way I'd back her up on this. She'd be apologizing to the official.

And it's not the word "crap" for me, either. He could have said "that call was a bunch of garbage" and my response would be the same.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by fullor30

How shallow to think if everyone is using foul language, it's ok to lower the bar. Not how I was raised.

+1

We're the role models here. We're supposed to be setting the bar, not adjusting it to their desires.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I see it for what it is, something that I've only heard from ignorant people like fans and coaches who think you had to have played a game to be able to officiate it. It's IRRELEVANT.

Yes, and for another reason. NEVER have I met an official that NEVER played the game. Some certainly played at higher levels than others, but none have never played, at least not to my knowledge.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

And again, everyone but you seems to agree, if I hear it then he did NOT say it under his breath.

Actually, my definition differs here a bit. If I believe I'm the ONLY one that heard it, and the words weren't directed at anyone, then I'd call that under one's breath.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

For those of you that said this is a TF, good luck calling it consistently and stop baiting 6th graders.

I don't get what you think is so difficult about this.

Originally Posted by bainsey

Actually, my definition differs here a bit. If I believe I'm the ONLY one that heard it, and the words weren't directed at anyone, then I'd call that under one's breath.

Fair enough, but there's nothing about "under his breath" in the rules that makes it legal. The point is, if it's loud enough for an official to hear it, it's loud enough to be susceptible to a T.

A coach addressing his players doesn't get a free pass just because he's talking to his players. Had a YMCA coach discussing the foul count with the table at half time; I addressed it with her.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Had a YMCA coach discussing the foul count with the table at half time; I addressed it with her.

With the table? I don't see the point of that. How did she mention it?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Actually, my definition differs here a bit. If I believe I'm the ONLY one that heard it, and the words weren't directed at anyone, then I'd call that under one's breath.

Then we disagree.

[asdf]

If you change the setting in this situation from the basketball court to the 6th grade math class or the 6th grader's own home and the teacher or parent respond's with "what did you say ??"......

It's not baiting.

If the kid repeats the comment, he should get punished.

[reffish]

Originally Posted by asdf

If you change the setting in this situation from the basketball court to the 6th grade math class or the 6th grader's own home and the teacher or parent respond's with "what did you say ??"......

It's not baiting.

If the kid repeats the comment, he should get punished.

I will speak from the classroom teacher perspective: If you heard something, punish it, like the OP. "What did you say?" when you have already heard what was said is power tripping and baiting the kid. If you want to have a teaching moment with the kid, tell the kid that is inappropriate to say in class (or game) and move on. If you want to punish the kid, do it when you hear it! Reflection table (classroom) or technical (game).

In the OP, the kid learns that if a ref asks a question, he may or may not be punished, so when asked, lie! Now that's a lesson for a kid from an authority figure!

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by reffish

Reflection table (classroom)

I haven't been in a classroom in a few yrs and have never heard of this. Can you enlighten me on what this is (seriously) and at what ages it's used.

Thanks.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I haven't been in a classroom in a few yrs and have never heard of this. Can you enlighten me on what this is (seriously) and at what ages it's used.

Thanks.

Time Out

[Rich]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I haven't been in a classroom in a few yrs and have never heard of this. Can you enlighten me on what this is (seriously) and at what ages it's used.

Thanks.

It's new age mumbo jumbo that elementary (I hope) schools are fond of now.

My kid has to "take a break" if she's being naughty. She says some wacky pledge ("I will not use my hands or my words for hurting myself or others") after the Pledge of Allegiance every day.

But "reflection table" probably tops everything I've heard come out of my kid's school, which is a real feat.