stupid kid; stupid parent

[Adam]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

It was under his breath, the official asked for a repeat (baited), basically knowing that if kid repeated he would T him. The official baited a 6th grader, come on.

The comment and under his breath aspect of if is not disrespectful in my opinion. There are other ways to handle this situation, advise the player or coach in some way so that they know they are about to cross the line (yours, not mine).

If that is your interpretation on every comment made under one's breath, you will have a difficult time being consistent in calling it during games and in calling your children on it. Good luck penalizing everyone of them.

Sorry, but if I can hear it, it's not under his breath. This comment is going to be a T from me in any game I work (I don't work college), getting his fifth foul doesn't give him a free pass. 6th grade game? It would be in the top five easiest calls I've ever made.

Do you really think Dad would have reacted different if the OP had just gone straight to the T? No, Dad just wanted the opportunity to tell the refs how bad he thought they sucked.

And as for the "Ts are supposed to make the game better" canard, Rich addressed it pretty well. Ts are not supposed to make the game better, they're supposed to punish unsporting behavior. They normally make the game better, but if they don't, that doesn't diminish the validity of the T.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sorry, but if I can hear it, it's not under his breath.

Exactly. Was going to write this myself when I saw you had beaten me to it.

[7IronRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sorry, but if I can hear it, it's not under his breath. This comment is going to be a T from me in any game I work (I don't work college), getting his fifth foul doesn't give him a free pass. 6th grade game? It would be in the top five easiest calls I've ever made.

I don't care what level anyone works, there is NO WAY you call this every time - you cannot be consistent under the context that this situation was presented. Did you ever play the game?!

Do you really think Dad would have reacted different if the OP had just gone straight to the T? No, Dad just wanted the opportunity to tell the refs how bad he thought they sucked.

I could care less what a parent thinks, their POV is distorted. The OP should have ignored the parent after the game, or simply told the parent it is between the officials and the player, ask your player. Engaging a parent is not going to help things and your have opened the door for further comment whether you intended to or not. It is possible the parent thought his player used more colorful language and was going to talk with his kid, but when he got an explaination, he disagreed. But again, it is his problem.

And as for the "Ts are supposed to make the game better" canard, Rich addressed it pretty well. Ts are not supposed to make the game better, they're supposed to punish unsporting behavior. They normally make the game better, but if they don't, that doesn't diminish the validity of the T.

Agreed, but in the context of the OP this is not a top 5 easiest call on unsporting behavior. That is a difficult standard to maintain.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

Agreed, but in the context of the OP this is not a top 5 easiest call on unsporting behavior. That is a difficult standard to maintain.

Then we don't agree. If I was the OP, I would have gone straight to the T. I can tell you that this comment, if I hear it, is a T every time; especially in this context. I'm calling this every time in a high school game.

If you think ringing up an 11 year old for this is over officiating, then we're not going to agree.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

Did you ever play the game?!

Sounds like something an idiot fan would ask.

What a stupid remark.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Sounds like something an idiot fan would ask.

What a stupid remark.

Do to a formatting error, I missed that one. I'm doubting at this point whether 7iron is an actual official.

My answer: yes, so?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Do to a formatting error, I missed that one. I'm doubting at this point whether 7iron is an actual official.

My answer: yes, so?

Can I join the club?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Can I join the club?

Sure, I'm guessing neither of us is first or second.

[7IronRef]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Sounds like something an idiot fan would ask.

What a stupid remark.

Of course you would say that, unreasonable people see it as an attack, when it is simply a question of reference.

As players we have all said something under our breath from time to time. As an official we say things under our breath. As spouses, employees, etc. we say things under our breath. Is it best that every comment be penalized? Not in my opinion.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

Of course you would say that, unreasonable people see it as an attack, when it is simply a question of reference.

As players we have all said something under our breath from time to time. As an official we say things under our breath. As spouses, employees, etc. we say things under our breath. Is it best that every comment be penalized? Not in my opinion.

No, he doesn't see it as an attack. He sees it as an irrelevant question that only a fan or parent would ask.

As a spouse, if and when I say things under my breath, I'd better hope it's truly under my breath and my wife doesn't hear it. Like I said before, if I can hear it, it's not under his breath.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

Of course you would say that, unreasonable people see it as an attack, when it is simply a question of reference.

As players we have all said something under our breath from time to time. As an official we say things under our breath. As spouses, employees, etc. we say things under our breath. Is it best that every comment be penalized? Not in my opinion.

I see it for what it is, something that I've only heard from ignorant people like fans and coaches who think you had to have played a game to be able to officiate it. It's IRRELEVANT.

And again, everyone but you seems to agree, if I hear it then he did NOT say it under his breath. For all we know he meant to say it loud enough for the closest official to hear it. Happens all the time.


I'm not saying that I would T this up. But it's certainly not appropriate! And if I didn't T it, you can better believe I'll let the kid know it's not acceptable behavior.