stupid kid; stupid parent

[Rich]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

TF's are supposed to improve the game

Sorry, but I don't buy that. It's nice when TFs do improve the game (ones that stop a coach from complaining on every trip, for example), but many technical fouls cause dead time where people can focus even more on the technical itself. That doesn't mean that a technical foul should be avoided.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

Sounds like over officiating to me.

TF's are supposed to improve the game and I don't see that in this case. So what if a 6th grader thought and said the call was crap (unless he said it loud enough that it could not have been overlooked - which wasn't the case "under his breath"). The player had just fouled out, made a comment, was asked to repeat it by an adult/authority figure, got T'd for it - baited in my opinion.

Let it go, maybe say something to the coach and move on. Remember that at least one person is going to think any call or no-call is crap depending on their POV.

BTW, of course a parent is going to stick up for their child, especially when there was no profanity involved and it wasn't disrepectful.

Wasn't disrespectful? A sixth grader addressing an adult and an official to boot? While not profane 'crap' from a sixth grader should not be part of his/her vocabulary

And by the way, My kids are Catholic and are automatically guilty until proven innocent!

[7IronRef]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Wasn't disrespectful? A sixth grader addressing an adult and an official to boot? While not profane 'crap' from a sixth grader should not be part of his/her vocabulary

And by the way, My kids are Catholic and are automatically guilty until proven innocent!

funny, but if true, sad

Let's keep religion out of this

my kids are allowed to have an opinion, my kids are sometimes right, my kids should not be baited by adults - kids always lose under those circumstances.

You have forgotten what a 6th graders life is like. Go to any grade school and you will hear kids (not mine, I believe) using more colorful language. I understand tone and disagreement play a factor, but the OP does not cross a line with me.

[asdf]

If you change the setting in this situation from the basketball court to the 6th grade math class or the 6th grader's own home and the teacher or parent respond's with "what did you say ??"......

It's not baiting.

If the kid repeats the comment, he should get punished.

[reffish]

Originally Posted by asdf

If you change the setting in this situation from the basketball court to the 6th grade math class or the 6th grader's own home and the teacher or parent respond's with "what did you say ??"......

It's not baiting.

If the kid repeats the comment, he should get punished.

I will speak from the classroom teacher perspective: If you heard something, punish it, like the OP. "What did you say?" when you have already heard what was said is power tripping and baiting the kid. If you want to have a teaching moment with the kid, tell the kid that is inappropriate to say in class (or game) and move on. If you want to punish the kid, do it when you hear it! Reflection table (classroom) or technical (game).

In the OP, the kid learns that if a ref asks a question, he may or may not be punished, so when asked, lie! Now that's a lesson for a kid from an authority figure!

[Ignats75]

Boys JV game last year. Player swore under his breath after being called for a shooting foul. Was not directed at anyone in particular. After the players were lined up, before I administered the shot, I said to him in front of everyone,

"I'm think I heard you say shoot. Just don't cross that line as swearing will get you tee'd up."

Every one gets the message. Now, if the expletive was directed AT any official or player, then WHACK!

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Boys JV game last year. Player swore under his breath after being called for a shooting foul. Was not directed at anyone in particular. After the players were lined up, before I administered the shot, I said to him in front of everyone...

If he said it under his breath, I can certainly see passing on it. Still, if no-one else heard it, why bring it up in front of everyone else? Why not merely speak with him about it?

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

BTW, of course a parent is going to stick up for their child, especially when there was no profanity involved and it wasn't disrepectful.

Not profanity? True. Not disrespectful? Disagree. There are plenty of parents in my area -- myself included -- that wouldn't back their 6th grader for talking to an official like that.

[7IronRef]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Not profanity? True. Not disrespectful? Disagree. There are plenty of parents in my area -- myself included -- that wouldn't back their 6th grader for talking to an official like that.

It was under his breath, the official asked for a repeat (baited), basically knowing that if kid repeated he would T him. The official baited a 6th grader, come on.

The comment and under his breath aspect of if is not disrespectful in my opinion. There are other ways to handle this situation, advise the player or coach in some way so that they know they are about to cross the line (yours, not mine).

If that is your interpretation on every comment made under one's breath, you will have a difficult time being consistent in calling it during games and in calling your children on it. Good luck penalizing everyone of them.