Throw-in... Backcourt... Made Basket???

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Thankfully it was not my game. I was in the stands watching.
I realize you described 'Per rule procedures'. Right after the play ALL 3 officials are in DEEEEEP do-do. About 99% of Coaches (and officials) wouldn't know the correct ruling. So why not, for the good of the game, just do a redo? That is what they did. They said it was a correctable error.
How would you tell the Home Coach... "We messed up and gave the ball to your team. Then we messed up an allowed your team to commit a backcourt violation. Then your team scored 2 points for the other team. But Hey, don't be mad at us. At least you get the ball and you can run the endline"
I have talked to 5 oficials so far and all would do a redo.

A few years ago I was during a boys varsity summer league through a clinic, I wanted to get in front of a certain assigner to break into his conference, one of the best in area. Clinician who was running clinic made sure I was on assigners game to help me out. 110 in gym, my 3-4 game of night and I'm new lead with about 7 seconds to go in a one point game, team losing has ball. Inbounded at endline and now almost near division line and whistle blows from trail. I can smell trouble. I'm drifting off, like a dummy and not paying attention. New trail says clock never started, Takes ball back to endline for a 'redo'

If paying attention, could have ridden to the rescue and stopped 'redo' C also asleep at wheel.

Every time I hear redo, I get quesy.

Still trying to get in conference

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Thankfully it was not my game. I was in the stands watching.
I realize you described 'Per rule procedures'. Right after the play ALL 3 officials are in DEEEEEP do-do. About 99% of Coaches (and officials) wouldn't know the correct ruling. So why not, for the good of the game, just do a redo? That is what they did. They said it was a correctable error.

Because ignorance is no excuse.
Because you further complicate things with another mistake.

How would you tell the Home Coach... "We messed up and gave the ball to your team. Then we messed up an allowed your team to commit a backcourt violation. Then your team scored 2 points for the other team. But Hey, don't be mad at us. At least you get the ball and you can run the endline"

Exactly, although I would address it with the coach without the sarcasm.

I have talked to 5 oficials so far and all would do a redo.

Well, now you've talked to 6 and 5 would do a redo.

[Scrapper1]

Did the crew put the consumed time back on the clock? If they didn't, then it's not really a re-do anyway.

This isn't a re-do, as everyone here has said. It's an official's mistake and it's not correctable. Would you go back and call a travel that you missed 6 seconds earlier? If not, why would you think this is any different?

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Did the crew put the consumed time back on the clock? If they didn't, then it's not really a re-do anyway.

This isn't a re-do, as everyone here has said. It's an official's mistake and it's not correctable. Would you go back and call a travel that you missed 6 seconds earlier? If not, why would you think this is any different?

I am on the side of the officials on this site. Especially when it is a varsity game. They should know and enforce the rules as written. I do not have the power of persuasion. I have bent and broke rules inorder to blend in with the mass majority.
Instead, they took the easy path. Yes... they put time back on the clock. When I had the discussion with other officials I used your 'travel' example as well.

[SNIPERBBB]

7.6.6 SITUATION A:

Team A is awarded a throw-in near the division line. The administering official by mistake, puts the ball at B1's disposal. B1 completes the throw-in and Team B subsequently scores a goal.

RULING: No correction can be made for the mistake by the official after the throw-in ends.

[Rob1968]

In our pre-game, I tell my partner(s) that after acknowledging the request for a time-out, and before any of us reports the time-out to the table, we will verify with each other, the disposition of the ball, after the time-out. And I tell them that coming out of the time-out, before we administer the subsequent action - we will again verify the disposition of the ball - throw-in, spot throw-in, run the endline, freethrow(s), shooter's number, number of shots remaining.
I've found that this overcomes the blank looks, and puzzled stares that come with tired officials, who are hoping and begging that the basketball gods will enlighten their partners as to what's next.

[zm1283]

I can think of literally dozens of officials who I know that would simply "Make it right" by having a do-over and correcting things. They want to keep coaches on their good side, and most coaches (Who don't know the rules) would want most officials to just have a do-over, so that's what they would do. I imagine I would encounter significant resistance if I tried to handle this by rule as everyone has described.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I can think of literally dozens of officials who I know that would simply "Make it right" by having a do-over and correcting things. They want to keep coaches on their good side, and most coaches (Who don't know the rules) would want most officials to just have a do-over, so that's what they would do. I imagine I would encounter significant resistance if I tried to handle this by rule as everyone has described.

Seriously, what's the coach going to say? His players just ran the wrong way and scored in the wrong basket after you inadvertently gave them a gift. I would go by the rule, tell him the rules are clear, and play on. If he complains, I'd politely remind him that I wasn't the one who put the ball in his opponents' basket. After that, we're putting the ball in play and I'm done listening.

Are there officials here who would go with the "redo"? Probably, and some of them are probably varsity guys. Me, I'll have an easier time explaining why I stuck with the rule than trying to explain why I ignored the rule because it "just didn't seem right."

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I can think of literally dozens of officials who I know that would simply "Make it right" by having a do-over and correcting things. They want to keep coaches on their good side, and most coaches (Who don't know the rules) would want most officials to just have a do-over, so that's what they would do. I imagine I would encounter significant resistance if I tried to handle this by rule as everyone has described.

I find it hard to believe that there would be many officials in a locality that would redo unless this play happens often.

Then again, how many times do you hear a fellow official say they would do things one way yet end up doing the opposite.