Throw-in... Backcourt... Made Basket???

[Zoochy]

Varsity Girls game.
Teams are coming out of a time out with about 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. Visiting team has the throw-in from their backcourt endline. Officials give the ball to the Home team. Home team in bounds the ball. Visiting Coach is yelling "It's our ball". Home team has the ball in their front court but continues to dribble the ball in the wrong direction. They dribble past the midcourt line. The visiting coach is still yelling. Home team continues to the wrong basket and put the ball into the basket. Both teams are confused. Finally the official blows the whistle to stop the clock. The whole process takes 6 seconds.
What is the correct procedure per rule?
What is THE procedure per 'the good of the game'?

[BillyMac]

Backcourt violation?

[BktBallRef]

THere is no correct procedure.

Giving the ball to the wrong team for the throw-in can't be corrected.

They missed the BC violation.

Home score a basket for the visitors.

Count the basket and let's roll.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

THere is no correct procedure.

Giving the ball to the wrong team for the throw-in can't be corrected.

They missed the BC violation.

Home score a basket for the visitors.

Count the basket and let's roll.

+1

Just make sure to give home team the ball back for an end line throw in after they score in the wrong basket.

[refiator]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

THere is no correct procedure.

Giving the ball to the wrong team for the throw-in can't be corrected.

They missed the BC violation.

Home score a basket for the visitors.

Count the basket and let's roll.

And put on a fake mustache so no one recognizes you after the game
Look at the bright side...That will never happen again for those officials

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

THere is no correct procedure.

Giving the ball to the wrong team for the throw-in can't be corrected.

They missed the BC violation.

Home score a basket for the visitors.

Count the basket and let's roll.

Thankfully it was not my game. I was in the stands watching.
I realize you described 'Per rule procedures'. Right after the play ALL 3 officials are in DEEEEEP do-do. About 99% of Coaches (and officials) wouldn't know the correct ruling. So why not, for the good of the game, just do a redo? That is what they did. They said it was a correctable error.
How would you tell the Home Coach... "We messed up and gave the ball to your team. Then we messed up an allowed your team to commit a backcourt violation. Then your team scored 2 points for the other team. But Hey, don't be mad at us. At least you get the ball and you can run the endline"
I have talked to 5 oficials so far and all would do a redo.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Thankfully it was not my game. I was in the stands watching.
I realize you described 'Per rule procedures'. Right after the play ALL 3 officials are in DEEEEEP do-do. About 99% of Coaches (and officials) wouldn't know the correct ruling. So why not, for the good of the game, just do a redo? That is what they did. They said it was a correctable error.
How would you tell the Home Coach... "We messed up and gave the ball to your team. Then we messed up an allowed your team to commit a backcourt violation. Then your team scored 2 points for the other team. But Hey, don't be mad at us. At least you get the ball and you can run the endline"
I have talked to 5 oficials so far and all would do a redo.

There is no authority to do a re-do. A re-do is a wrong call. Just follow the rule.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Thankfully it was not my game. I was in the stands watching.
I realize you described 'Per rule procedures'. Right after the play ALL 3 officials are in DEEEEEP do-do. About 99% of Coaches (and officials) wouldn't know the correct ruling. So why not, for the good of the game, just do a redo? That is what they did. They said it was a correctable error.
How would you tell the Home Coach... "We messed up and gave the ball to your team. Then we messed up an allowed your team to commit a backcourt violation. Then your team scored 2 points for the other team. But Hey, don't be mad at us. At least you get the ball and you can run the endline"
I have talked to 5 oficials so far and all would do a redo.

I agree that the rule is probably too restrictive and the officials *should* be allowed to fix this within a reasonable amount of time -- but the NFHS has actually ruled recently to make this as restrictive as possible and who am I (as one official) to go against their wishes (and by association, the wishes of my state office)?

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I agree that the rule is probably too restrictive and the officials *should* be allowed to fix this within a reasonable amount of time -- but the NFHS has actually ruled recently to make this as restrictive as possible and who am I (as one official) to go against their wishes (and by association, the wishes of my state office)?

I would bet that the assignor/rules interperter in my area would not know the correct procedure. Everybody on the court was happy with the do over.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

I would bet that the assignor/rules interperter in my area would not know the correct procedure. Everybody on the court was happy with the do over.

That's frightening.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

I would bet that the assignor/rules interperter in my area would not know the correct procedure. Everybody on the court was happy with the do over.

Making everyone happy by mis-applying a rule is not always a recipe for success. I can understand for a brief instant thinking "hey, let's do a do-over", but after some conversation amongst the crew and especially after the fact with a rules interpreter, there should be a correct ruling.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

I would bet that the assignor/rules interperter in my area would not know the correct procedure. Everybody on the court was happy with the do over.

I can guarantee you my assigner would bust my balls for only one of the following mistakes:
1. giving the ball to the wrong team.
2. Missing the BC violation.
3. Really screwing up and taking away the points.

#3 is what would get me into the most trouble. #1 and #2 are easy to do in confusion, but #3 is inexcusable.

As for the coach whose team scored in the wrong basket, what's he really going to complain about? It's not like the officials threw a live ball through his opponent's basket.

[CK]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

I would bet that the assignor/rules interperter in my area would not know the correct procedure. Everybody on the court was happy with the do over.

What? That is a bet you would lose. (assuming you are talking about the rules interperter and assignors I am familar with) I can assure you that they know the correct ruling and procedure.

[CK]

Count the basket for V (footnote in the book) and move on. The throwin cannot be corrected because the throwin had ended. The BC violation was missed; it was missed, H scores for V, count the basket for V. Recognized, humbly explain and move on. This is why I stand with the ball in an arm or front or back of my body in the direction the ball is going after any T.O. or delay in getting the ball back in play when I am the official staying with the ball. My response was not a judgement. As to how I would of handled it, by the rules. Do over's do not exsist and should not happen. What I took exception to was this statement

Originally Posted by Zoochy

I would bet that the assignor/rules interperter in my area would not know the correct procedure. Everybody on the court was happy with the do over.

And I stand by my previous post.

CK

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Thankfully it was not my game. I was in the stands watching.
I realize you described 'Per rule procedures'. Right after the play ALL 3 officials are in DEEEEEP do-do. About 99% of Coaches (and officials) wouldn't know the correct ruling. So why not, for the good of the game, just do a redo? That is what they did. They said it was a correctable error.
How would you tell the Home Coach... "We messed up and gave the ball to your team. Then we messed up an allowed your team to commit a backcourt violation. Then your team scored 2 points for the other team. But Hey, don't be mad at us. ....

Yes, they can be mad at us. My last line would have been "we screwed this play up all the way around but now we are going adjudicate it by the rules and move on."

And if this is a Varsity game I would say a lot more officials than 1% would know the correct ruling. If fact all it would take is 33% to know the correct ruling.