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[Welpe]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

But if the ball never gained BC status without the touch of the Team A player, what is the status of the ball?

Peace

So you're arguing in favor of the dreaded NFHS interpretation? I can't see a touch being both simultaneously the last in the frontcourt and the first in the backcourt.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Welpe

So you're arguing in favor of the dreaded NFHS interpretation? I can't see a touch being both simultaneously the last in the frontcourt and the first in the backcourt.

I am not arguing anything actually, remember you asked me why this mattered. If a ball touches a player that is touching the backcourt, the ball is in the backcourt by rule. And if a team is in continuous team control when they touch the ball in that circumstance, then they have violated. The Ohio State player caused the ball to be in the back court by beginning a dribble and touching the backcourt, if you deem that team control was never lost by them. First to touch and last to touch is not the only way you can have a backcourt violation.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not arguing anything actually, remember you asked me why this mattered. If a ball touches a player that is touching the backcourt, the ball is in the backcourt by rule. And if a team is in continuous team control when they touch the ball in that circumstance, then they have violated. The Ohio State player caused the ball to be in the back court by beginning a dribble and touching the backcourt, if you deem that team control was never lost by them.

But causing the ball to be in the backcourt isn't a violation.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

First to touch and last to touch is not the only way you can have a backcourt violation.

Peace

Actually, it is.

If the OSU player was in the BC when they touched the ball that was previously touched by a Duke player, it is not a violation.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And if a team is in continuous team control when they touch the ball in that circumstance, then they have violated. The Ohio State player caused the ball to be in the back court by beginning a dribble and touching the backcourt, if you deem that team control was never lost by them.

Please cite the NFHS rule reference for this.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Please cite the NFHS rule reference for this.

Site a rule where I am wrong?

I also looked at the video again and it looks like the player touched the ball in the FC and then stepped into the BC. It is really close and as I said before I can see why it was not called if that was the case.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Site a rule where I am wrong?

9-9-1, "if he/she or a teammate last touched or was touched by the ball in the frontcourt before it went to the backcourt." Or is there another rule you know of that makes it a violation.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Site a rule where I am wrong?

Cite a rule that says it is a violation....if there isn't one, its legal.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I also looked at the video again and it looks like the player touched the ball in the FC and then stepped into the BC. It is really close and as I said before I can see why it was not called if that was the case.

Peace

Nothing like changing your description of the play to make your ruling correct.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Cite a rule that says it is a violation....if there isn't one, its legal.


Nothing like changing your description of the play to make your ruling correct.

So if he touches the ball while in the FC and then is dribbling and touches the BC, you are saying that is not a violation?

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So if he touches the ball while in the FC and then is dribbling and touches the BC, you are saying that is not a violation?

Peace

No, the situation was that the player was in the backcourt while the ball bounced up from the frontcourt and the player (still in the backcourt) then touched the ball (which had frontcourt status until it was touched) and started a dribble....no violation. That player was not the last to touch the ball BEFORE it went to the backcourt (by being touched by the player who was in the backcourt).

IF that player had touched the ball to start the dribble while he had frontcourt status, then stepped into the backcourt, it would be a violation, but that is not the situation being discussed or the one you described earlier....

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If a ball touches a player that is touching the backcourt, the ball is in the backcourt by rule. And if a team is in continuous team control when they touch the ball in that circumstance, then they have violated. The Ohio State player caused the ball to be in the back court by beginning a dribble and touching the backcourt, if you deem that team control was never lost by them. First to touch and last to touch is not the only way you can have a backcourt violation.

Peace