too many quarters in one night

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by billyu2

Wow, Mark! You really do go back aways. I don't remember any of that stuff at all. I have gotten a lot younger though (16 years old now) since I converted to centigrade.
I'll be getting my drivers license soon so my wife won't have to drive me to all my games.

BillyU2:

ROFLMAO

And now for a second history lesson.

If one reads the NFHS Basketball Rules, one sees that the Coaching Box is actually by StateHSAA adoption. In reality, NFHS Rules are really a "Seat Belt Rule" for lack of a better description.

The NBCUSC adopted the "seat belt rule" for the 1970-71 (remember, back then the NBCUSC wrote the rules for both boys'/girls' and men's college; the same set of rules for all three levels except for length of periods) season, there was no provision for a Coaching Box. That meant, everybody had to keep their tushes glued to the bench; for all intents and purposes the rule was ignored at the college level.

When the NBCUSC adpopted the "Seat Belt Rule" the OhioHSAA adopted provisions that made the rule even stricter than the NBCUS adoption; I won't go into detail because the definition of Live and Dead Ball were different than they are now.

That said, the OhioHSAA also added paper work to the rule, any time a Head Coach (JrHS, FR, JV, or VAR) received a TF violation of the "Seat Belt Rule" the calling official had to complete and file an OhioHSAA Coach's Bench Rule Report Form with the OhioHSAA and the Head Coach's school.

Ah, those were the days.

MTD, Sr.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by zanzibar

After the 3rd quarter A6 tried to sub in for A5 before the 4th quarter started but he reported after the 15 second warning buzzer. The officials wouldn't let him enter the game of course. Then team A explained to the refs that A5 must exit the game because he has already played his 5 quarters that are allowed in one night. The refs decided that they can't overlook this infraction and required A5 to start the 4th quarter. The refs surely knew that at another date that this game would be declared a forfeit. Was the right decision made or should the refs overlooked this minor infraction so that A5 would not have gone over the quarter limit and cause a forfeit?

Usually these type of equal participation rules exist in youth games - for example, 10 or 11 and under.

Why not just do what we do here in Ontario - have players report to the scorekeeper at the beginning of each quarter. If a player report that is ineligible, then the mistake is caught and corrected before they step on the court. Once this process is complete, then sound the 15s horn.

Problem solved.

[letemplay]

Maybe, like a discussion topic a few weeks back, this player is no longer available, as in he may be injured, or has fouled out. You can't force him to play, you can't let the team begin the next quarter with only four players (if others are available) I say you let the next guy in even if he was late to the table. No sense making a problem for others to clean up later or even hurting the kid down the road. If in this particular state this practice is recognized, (I'm assuming the extra quarters are coming from JV action seen) then a little leniency is in order here and I sure hope the opposing coach isn't going to put up much objection.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Maybe, like a discussion topic a few weeks back, this player is no longer available, as in he may be injured, or has fouled out. You can't force him to play, you can't let the team begin the next quarter with only four players (if others are available) I say you let the next guy in even if he was late to the table. No sense making a problem for others to clean up later or even hurting the kid down the road. If in this particular state this practice is recognized, (I'm assuming the extra quarters are coming from JV action seen) then a little leniency is in order here and I sure hope the opposing coach isn't going to put up much objection.

I say the coach needs to take a time-out to make the substitution legal and in the future do HIS job better instead of putting the onus on the officials to clean up his mistake.

[Camron Rust]

This issue is certainly not worth of a forfeit....even if it is one to be declared later. I'm going to work with the coach to try to find a way to avoid that. Even the other coach, in most cases, does't want a win that way.

I may offer him some options to resolve the situation....such as a timeout. Coach, "Did you just say you wanted a timeout?"

That player just might have his jersey untucked.....for that matter, the player could pull it out so he will be sent out.

[chseagle]

This is from the WIAA Handbook:

52.5.0 PLAYER LIMITATION – Each player may play in twenty (20) contests, but in doing so may not exceed eighty (80) quarters. Any appearance in a quarter, regardless of the length of time played, shall be
considered as one (1) quarter. This is interpreted as meaning when a player is beckoned onto the floor and the ball becomes alive, that the player has played in one (1) quarter.
52.5.1 Players from all classifications of schools except 1B schools may appear in a maximum of four (4) quarters in one (1) day.
52.5.2 Players in 1B schools may appear in a maximum of five (5) quarters in one (1) day.
52.5.3 Players from all classifications of schools except 1B schools may participate in a maximum of 20 games during the regular season.
52.5.4 Players in 1B schools may participate in a maximum of 80 quarters during the regular season.
52.5.5 If an eighth grader has participated in a middle level or junior high team, that player may participate in a maximum of forty quarters.
52.6.0 COUNTING QUARTERS AND CONTESTS:
52.6.1 Four (4) quarters played against the same squad is one (1) contest.
52.6.2 Four (4) quarters played against the same school, same day, different squads (i.e., varsity and junior varsity squads) is one (1) contest.
52.6.3 Four (4) quarters played against the same school, different days during the same week, different squads (i.e., varsity on Tuesday, junior varsity on Thursday) is one (1) contest. If a player exceeds four (4) quarters, that player is considered to have participated in two (2) contests (one (1) contest on each day).
52.6.4 A total of four (4) quarters played against two (2) different schools, same day, different squads is one (1) contest.
52.6.5 One (1) or more quarters played against two (2) different schools, different days during the same week, different squads would be two (2) contests.
52.6.6 Postseason games do not count against the game or quarterly season limitation.
52.6.7 FIFTH QUARTER - A fifth quarter may be played only by freshmen basketball squads following the regular contest. The 5th quarter is for players who were not starters and who played in three (3) quarters or less of the regular contest.

[KCRC]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I may offer him some options to resolve the situation....such as a timeout. Coach, "Did you just say you wanted a timeout?"

That player just might have his jersey untucked.....for that matter, the player could pull it out so he will be sent out.

"A5, are you having a cramp? Sure looks like you are cramping up! TRAINER!" Problem solved!