too many quarters in one night

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by zanzibar

After the 3rd quarter A6 tried to sub in for A5 before the 4th quarter started but he reported after the 15 second warning buzzer. The officials wouldn't let him enter the game of course. Then team A explained to the refs that A5 must exit the game because he has already played his 5 quarters that are allowed in one night. The refs decided that they can't overlook this infraction and required A5 to start the 4th quarter. The refs surely knew that at another date that this game would be declared a forfeit. Was the right decision made or should the refs overlooked this minor infraction so that A5 would not have gone over the quarter limit and cause a forfeit?

The OhioHSAA has a five quarter per day rule (with a maximum of ninety quarters for the regular season).

As an example, two schools are playing a FR/JV/VAR tripleheader. An player can player a total of five quarters for the three games: one quarter in the FR game, three quarters in the JV game and one quarter in the VAR game. The Scorekeepr must keep track of the number of quarters each player plays in each game. If a player is found to be playing in his sixth quarter for the night, he is disqualified (his disqualification is treated in the same way as if a player had fouled out of the game) from playing for the rest of the day, and his sixth quarter counts toward his ninety maximum for the regular season.

If the situation being discussed happened in Ohio, it would be treated in the same manner if the officials had been told by the Scorekeeper that he just discovered that A5 had five fouls and is disqualified. Replace A5 and move on.

MTD, Sr.


P.S. In my opinion, the officials were being hard a$$e$ about that matter, meaning Team A could have requested a Team TO in order to replace A5.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The OhioHSAA has a five quarter per day rule (with a maximum of ninety quarters for the regular season).

As an example, two schools are playing a FR/JV/VAR tripleheader. An player can player a total of five quarters for the three games: one quarter in the FR game, three quarters in the JV game and one quarter in the VAR game. The Scorekeepr must keep track of the number of quarters each player plays in each game. If a player is found to be playing in his sixth quarter for the night, he is disqualified (his disqualification is treated in the same way as if a player had fouled out of the game) from playing for the rest of the day, and his sixth quarter counts toward his ninety maximum for the regular season.

If the situation being discussed happened in Ohio, it would be treated in the same manner if the officials had been told by the Scorekeeper that he just discovered that A5 had five fouls and is disqualified. Replace A5 and move on.
MTD, Sr.


P.S. In my opinion, the officials were being hard a$$e$ about that matter, meaning Team A could have requested a Team TO in order to replace A5.

I agree, Mark. You forgot to mention that if a player does participate in more the 5 quarters the team is assessed a technical foul which makes a lot more sense in my opinion than a forfeit.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by billyu2

I agree, Mark. You forgot to mention that if a player does participate in more the 5 quarters the team is assessed a technical foul which makes a lot more sense in my opinion than a forfeit.

You are correct BillyU2. I forgot about the TF. But my guess is that you are a youngin', , and weren't even born back in the day when the OhioHSAA rules were one gane per day and four quarters per day equaled one game so a play could play one quarter in the FR game, two quarters in the JV game and one quarter in the VAR game for example, AND a player could not participate in more than twenty regular season games. If a player participated in a fifth quarter he was charged with a Flagrant TF (game report to Columbus), the OhioHSAA considered that as playing in two games in one day, and he was ineligible for post-season competition.

MTD, Sr.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

You are correct BillyU2. I forgot about the TF. But my guess is that you are a youngin', , and weren't even born back in the day when the OhioHSAA rules were one gane per day and four quarters per day equaled one game so a play could play one quarter in the FR game, two quarters in the JV game and one quarter in the VAR game for example, AND a player could not participate in more than twenty regular season games. If a player participated in a fifth quarter he was charged with a Flagrant TF (game report to Columbus), the OhioHSAA considered that as playing in two games in one day, and he was ineligible for post-season competition.

MTD, Sr.

Wow, Mark! You really do go back aways. I don't remember any of that stuff at all. I have gotten a lot younger though (16 years old now) since I converted to centigrade.
I'll be getting my drivers license soon so my wife won't have to drive me to all my games.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by billyu2

Wow, Mark! You really do go back aways. I don't remember any of that stuff at all. I have gotten a lot younger though (16 years old now) since I converted to centigrade.
I'll be getting my drivers license soon so my wife won't have to drive me to all my games.

BillyU2:

ROFLMAO

And now for a second history lesson.

If one reads the NFHS Basketball Rules, one sees that the Coaching Box is actually by StateHSAA adoption. In reality, NFHS Rules are really a "Seat Belt Rule" for lack of a better description.

The NBCUSC adopted the "seat belt rule" for the 1970-71 (remember, back then the NBCUSC wrote the rules for both boys'/girls' and men's college; the same set of rules for all three levels except for length of periods) season, there was no provision for a Coaching Box. That meant, everybody had to keep their tushes glued to the bench; for all intents and purposes the rule was ignored at the college level.

When the NBCUSC adpopted the "Seat Belt Rule" the OhioHSAA adopted provisions that made the rule even stricter than the NBCUS adoption; I won't go into detail because the definition of Live and Dead Ball were different than they are now.

That said, the OhioHSAA also added paper work to the rule, any time a Head Coach (JrHS, FR, JV, or VAR) received a TF violation of the "Seat Belt Rule" the calling official had to complete and file an OhioHSAA Coach's Bench Rule Report Form with the OhioHSAA and the Head Coach's school.

Ah, those were the days.

MTD, Sr.