too many quarters in one night

[zanzibar]

After the 3rd quarter A6 tried to sub in for A5 before the 4th quarter started but he reported after the 15 second warning buzzer. The officials wouldn't let him enter the game of course. Then team A explained to the refs that A5 must exit the game because he has already played his 5 quarters that are allowed in one night. The refs decided that they can't overlook this infraction and required A5 to start the 4th quarter. The refs surely knew that at another date that this game would be declared a forfeit. Was the right decision made or should the refs overlooked this minor infraction so that A5 would not have gone over the quarter limit and cause a forfeit?

[bob jenkins]

As a general statement, officials are not responsible for this type of "eligibility" issue. So, I think they did the right thing.

In SOME areas, this type of issue might supercede the substitution issue. Someone from southern IN (or tell us where, if it didn't happen there) might be able to help.

[tref]

I dont think we should get involved with player eligibility/restrictions...

[zanzibar]

It did happen in southern Indiana

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by tref

I dont think we should get involved with player eligibility/restrictions...

An interested and likely available individual might be the athletic director. They're always up on those things, and he/she would be a good one to pawn this one off on.
(last sentence ending with a preposition--something up with which the grammatical intellectuals of this forum rarely put)

[Scratch85]

I agree that eligibility rules are not in our jurisdiction. In southern IN, conferences sometimes have more stringent rules than the IHSAA. So it is very difficult to know all of the restrictions.

According to the IHSAA; a student "plays" a quarter when the student enters a game and time is run off the clock.

So I guess coach could have called a TO and subbed the player out before any time ran off the clock.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

I agree that eligibility rules are not in our jurisdiction. In southern IN, conferences sometimes have more stringent rules than the IHSAA. So it is very difficult to know all of the restrictions.

According to the IHSAA; a student "plays" a quarter when the student enters a game and time is run off the clock.

So I guess coach could have called a TO and subbed the player out before any time ran off the clock.

So, what if A5, who is on the bench, is subbed in to shoot free throws for a Technical foul and then is replaced by A6? Even though the clock has not started. The ball becomes live twice and A5 has a chance to score 2 points.
Also in Missouri, a player can play in 6 quarters. As an official, we are not suppose to counts quarters. This is an Administrative issue.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

So, what if A5, who is on the bench, is subbed in to shoot free throws for a Technical foul and then is replaced by A6? Even though the clock has not started. The ball becomes live twice and A5 has a chance to score 2 points.
Also in Missouri, a player can play in 6 quarters. As an official, we are not suppose to counts quarters. This is an Administrative issue.

Then A5 has played in the 4th quarter. What happens to him after that is not our concern.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

I agree that eligibility rules are not in our jurisdiction. In southern IN, conferences sometimes have more stringent rules than the IHSAA. So it is very difficult to know all of the restrictions.

According to the IHSAA; a student "plays" a quarter when the student enters a game and time is run off the clock.

So I guess coach could have called a TO and subbed the player out before any time ran off the clock.

Originally Posted by Zoochy

So, what if A5, who is on the bench, is subbed in to shoot free throws for a Technical foul and then is replaced by A6? Even though the clock has not started. The ball becomes live twice and A5 has a chance to score 2 points.
Also in Missouri, a player can play in 6 quarters. As an official, we are not suppose to counts quarters. This is an Administrative issue.

All I know is that those are the exact words as written in the IHSAA Articles of Incorporation.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

So, what if A5, who is on the bench, is subbed in to shoot free throws for a Technical foul and then is replaced by A6? Even though the clock has not started. The ball becomes live twice and A5 has a chance to score 2 points.
Also in Missouri, a player can play in 6 quarters. As an official, we are not suppose to counts quarters. This is an Administrative issue.

I think the actual criteria for playing should be that the ball became live, not that the clock ran....of course, should be and is are not always the same.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by zanzibar

After the 3rd quarter A6 tried to sub in for A5 before the 4th quarter started but he reported after the 15 second warning buzzer. The officials wouldn't let him enter the game of course. Then team A explained to the refs that A5 must exit the game because he has already played his 5 quarters that are allowed in one night. The refs decided that they can't overlook this infraction and required A5 to start the 4th quarter. The refs surely knew that at another date that this game would be declared a forfeit. Was the right decision made or should the refs overlooked this minor infraction so that A5 would not have gone over the quarter limit and cause a forfeit?

The officials enforced the rules as they know them. Surely the coach knew his player had used up his eligibility and should have been more diligent in his oversight of the situation.

Of course, a simple solution would have been for the coach to request a time-out and then sub A5 out of the game.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by zanzibar

After the 3rd quarter A6 tried to sub in for A5 before the 4th quarter started but he reported after the 15 second warning buzzer. The officials wouldn't let him enter the game of course. Then team A explained to the refs that A5 must exit the game because he has already played his 5 quarters that are allowed in one night. The refs decided that they can't overlook this infraction and required A5 to start the 4th quarter. The refs surely knew that at another date that this game would be declared a forfeit. Was the right decision made or should the refs overlooked this minor infraction so that A5 would not have gone over the quarter limit and cause a forfeit?

The OhioHSAA has a five quarter per day rule (with a maximum of ninety quarters for the regular season).

As an example, two schools are playing a FR/JV/VAR tripleheader. An player can player a total of five quarters for the three games: one quarter in the FR game, three quarters in the JV game and one quarter in the VAR game. The Scorekeepr must keep track of the number of quarters each player plays in each game. If a player is found to be playing in his sixth quarter for the night, he is disqualified (his disqualification is treated in the same way as if a player had fouled out of the game) from playing for the rest of the day, and his sixth quarter counts toward his ninety maximum for the regular season.

If the situation being discussed happened in Ohio, it would be treated in the same manner if the officials had been told by the Scorekeeper that he just discovered that A5 had five fouls and is disqualified. Replace A5 and move on.

MTD, Sr.


P.S. In my opinion, the officials were being hard a$$e$ about that matter, meaning Team A could have requested a Team TO in order to replace A5.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The OhioHSAA has a five quarter per day rule (with a maximum of ninety quarters for the regular season).

As an example, two schools are playing a FR/JV/VAR tripleheader. An player can player a total of five quarters for the three games: one quarter in the FR game, three quarters in the JV game and one quarter in the VAR game. The Scorekeepr must keep track of the number of quarters each player plays in each game. If a player is found to be playing in his sixth quarter for the night, he is disqualified (his disqualification is treated in the same way as if a player had fouled out of the game) from playing for the rest of the day, and his sixth quarter counts toward his ninety maximum for the regular season.

If the situation being discussed happened in Ohio, it would be treated in the same manner if the officials had been told by the Scorekeeper that he just discovered that A5 had five fouls and is disqualified. Replace A5 and move on.
MTD, Sr.


P.S. In my opinion, the officials were being hard a$$e$ about that matter, meaning Team A could have requested a Team TO in order to replace A5.

I agree, Mark. You forgot to mention that if a player does participate in more the 5 quarters the team is assessed a technical foul which makes a lot more sense in my opinion than a forfeit.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by billyu2

I agree, Mark. You forgot to mention that if a player does participate in more the 5 quarters the team is assessed a technical foul which makes a lot more sense in my opinion than a forfeit.

You are correct BillyU2. I forgot about the TF. But my guess is that you are a youngin', , and weren't even born back in the day when the OhioHSAA rules were one gane per day and four quarters per day equaled one game so a play could play one quarter in the FR game, two quarters in the JV game and one quarter in the VAR game for example, AND a player could not participate in more than twenty regular season games. If a player participated in a fifth quarter he was charged with a Flagrant TF (game report to Columbus), the OhioHSAA considered that as playing in two games in one day, and he was ineligible for post-season competition.

MTD, Sr.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

You are correct BillyU2. I forgot about the TF. But my guess is that you are a youngin', , and weren't even born back in the day when the OhioHSAA rules were one gane per day and four quarters per day equaled one game so a play could play one quarter in the FR game, two quarters in the JV game and one quarter in the VAR game for example, AND a player could not participate in more than twenty regular season games. If a player participated in a fifth quarter he was charged with a Flagrant TF (game report to Columbus), the OhioHSAA considered that as playing in two games in one day, and he was ineligible for post-season competition.

MTD, Sr.

Wow, Mark! You really do go back aways. I don't remember any of that stuff at all. I have gotten a lot younger though (16 years old now) since I converted to centigrade.
I'll be getting my drivers license soon so my wife won't have to drive me to all my games.