Hands Up or Hands Down?

[The_Rookie]

Originally Posted by nrose24

I saw a few comments about if it was legal for the hands to be out, i.e. not vertical, and questioning if it was in the rule book. I have looked and cannot find it either. When I brought it up at an association meeting last night, EVERYONE there said it was not legal, but nobody could tell me where it was in the rule book.

So, I would like to know if anyone on here can point out in the rule book where this is restricted, or if anyone actually restricts players from doing it in the game.

This has been my experience as well and why I asked the question. The way I was taught to handle it was tell the players the first time you see the hands and arms not vertical to tell them either hands down or straight up. Have not called any violations for this..just the verbal guidance

[Adam]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

This has been my experience as well and why I asked the question. The way I was taught to handle it was tell the players the first time you see the hands and arms not vertical to tell them either hands down or straight up. Have not called any violations for this..just the verbal guidance

Why? What rule are they breaking?

[Rob1968]

Case Book 9.1.3 D and 9.1.3 G both reference the judgement of the official. So, when in Rome . . .

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

Case Book 9.1.3 D and 9.1.3 G both reference the judgement of the official. So, when in Rome . . .

Rob:

I would like to refer you to the 14th, 18th, and 20th posts in this thread.

MTD, Sr.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Rob:

I would like to refer you to the 14th, 18th, and 20th posts in this thread.

MTD, Sr.

Mark, he's not even talking about wiggling the fingers; he's just talking about outstretched arms. That's even more of a stretch of the disconcertion rule than the 14th, 18th, and 20th posts in this thread.

[Rob1968]

MTD, Sr.
Mostly, I was thinking of the many discussions that occur on this forum, that may never come to a a conclussion, because of the allowance of judgement that is inherent in particular scenarios. I've been in meetings in which "twinkling the fingers" has been stated as a violation of the disconcertion rule, and in others in which talking among teammates, during the free-throw, or raising a hand or hands, arm or arms, is said to be a violation, etc.
I'm comfortable with the judgement of most of my partners, whether they see such actions as a violation or not. And I enjoy the interchange of personal guidelines of judgement that are expressed in these threads.
Sometimes, the judgement of a particular official follows the written info in the Case Book, sometimes it compresses that info, and sometimes it expands it, in his/her application. Still, I enjoy working with a new partner, and noting the nuances of his/her application of the rules and guidelines, just like I enjoy this forum.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

I enjoy this forum.

Let's see if you're still saying that when Jurassic Referee returns from his sabbatical?