T or ignore?....

[vbzebra]

summer game...team B assistant asks for an explanation of a non call during a timeout. i give it, he disagrees (nothing crazy, just disagrees, ok coach).

Team B down big late....14 seconds to go, same B assistant decides to start yelling from bench "you guys missed a really good game, a really good game"...

I did not T, just ignored, clock ran out. I figured "what good would it do to the game now to T him"? clock runs out, game over....

Should i have T'd assistant this late just b/c he's now deciding to complain when down big at this point in game with A holding ball as clock runs out?

Table and benches were set up weird due to many courts in gym...both benches were more in A's frontcourt in 2nd half, which is why i could hear him as trail tableside....

[grunewar]

I'm not letting a coach a coach "show me up," especially an assistant, just because he thinks he can get away with it or because the game is winding down.

If he's just yappin to hear himself yap, I may have passed on it.

But, if he's loud enough, demonstrative enough, looking to show me up, or asking for it, I might whack him!

I really don't care what kind of league it is or what time of yr. I have a threshold and if you cross it you'll know.

Another HTBT moment for me I suppose.

[vbzebra]

wasn't demostrative, just sitting down yelling it. if he stood up, then yes, no question...oh well, live and learn for me i guess

[BLydic]

Originally Posted by vbzebra

assistant decides to start yelling from bench "you guys missed a really good game, a really good game"...

You're right coach, unfortunately I had to work this one ...

[tref]

Originally Posted by BLydic

You're right coach, unfortunately I had to work this one ...

Niiice!

Since when did we start giving assistants explanations?
I think that in & of itself opened the door to the later situation.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by tref

Niiice!

Since when did we start giving assistants explanations?
I think that in & of itself opened the door to the later situation.

A short, polite, conversation during a TO? I'll do that every game, if needed.

The "assistant coaches are there to pass out towels and drive the bus" stuff applies to questioning / complaining issues and can be (and often is) taken too far.

Oh, on the original post -- address the later behavior, even if you decide not to T.

[tref]

I hear ya Bob... In my experiences, when you talk to 1 of them the other 2 to 3 now want explanations. Then the trainer feels the need to talk, pretty soon mom & dad are on the floor asking questions. I'll stick to the script as far as verbal communication goes!

[grunewar]

A simple statement to the HC in passing (or at a TO as Bob may be inferring) works too, "Coach, you need to control your bench."

Usually, they'll get the meaning.....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

I hear ya Bob... In my experiences, when you talk to 1 of them the other 2 to 3 now want explanations. Then the trainer feels the need to talk, pretty soon mom & dad are on the floor asking questions. I'll stick to the script as far as verbal communication goes!

I've don't have a problem answering a question during a timeout, even from an AC. If someone takes that as some sort of license, that's easy enough to deal with.

As for the OP, easy T. That comment in that situation is a borderline T for the HC; Everytime for an AC.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

A short, polite, conversation during a TO? I'll do that every game, if needed.

The "assistant coaches are there to pass out towels and drive the bus" stuff applies to questioning / complaining issues and can be (and often is) taken too far.

Oh, on the original post -- address the later behavior, even if you decide not to T.

I'm not explaining calls/no-calls to AC's. I'll tell him where the ball is being put in play, what his player did on a travel, what his player did on an illegal screen call, etc. But I'm not explaining to an AC why I didn't make a call.

[vbzebra]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm not explaining calls/no-calls to AC's. I'll tell him where the ball is being put in play, what his player did on a travel, what his player did on an illegal screen call, etc. But I'm not explaining to an AC why I didn't make a call.

good point, thanks! And you're right about what we're working, i'm pretty sure!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm not explaining calls/no-calls to AC's. I'll tell him where the ball is being put in play, what his player did on a travel, what his player did on an illegal screen call, etc. But I'm not explaining to an AC why I didn't make a call.

If the HC is not saying anything, I am certainly not saying anything to the AC. I get that some do not like that approach, but I have enough to do and to answer to with a coach, I am not listening to 5 people and getting 5 different conversations. I am having one conversation and if the HC has something to say, then he should do that and not the AC. Also timeouts are different in anyway. A conversation during a timeout better be non-confrontational and better be so they can get information. The minute that turns to what I must do or explain then the conversation is over, whether that is AC or the HC. And the reality is the experienced coaches know this anyway and this is not a problem. It is usually the ignorant coaches that either do not have the experience that this is a problem.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm not explaining calls/no-calls to AC's. I'll tell him where the ball is being put in play, what his player did on a travel, what his player did on an illegal screen call, etc. But I'm not explaining to an AC why I didn't make a call.

If you explain one type of decision, why not the other?

If asked appropriately, respectfully and at the right time, I have no problem answering a question from an assistant.

[stir22]

Originally Posted by BLydic

You're right coach, unfortunately I had to work this one ...

Classic!!!! Well-played.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by vbzebra

summer game...team B assistant asks for an explanation of a non call during a timeout. i give it, he disagrees (nothing crazy, just disagrees, ok coach).

Team B down big late....14 seconds to go, same B assistant decides to start yelling from bench "you guys missed a really good game, a really good game"...

I did not T, just ignored, clock ran out. I figured "what good would it do to the game now to T him"? clock runs out, game over....

Should i have T'd assistant this late just b/c he's now deciding to complain when down big at this point in game with A holding ball as clock runs out?

Table and benches were set up weird due to many courts in gym...both benches were more in A's frontcourt in 2nd half, which is why i could hear him as trail tableside....

T him. I'm pretty sure I know what you are working this weekend and you (or your fellow association officials) will probably be seeing this same guy during the season. If he gets away with it now he and his HC are gonna be all bewildered when they get T'd up during the season.