Good game management?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bainsey

+1

Whether I'd call the T is an HTBT, but I find nothing wrong with the OP's approach.

I find nothing wrong with Snag's approach ... but the OP's approach is awful. I can think of NO instance where telling a coach to bench a player is appropriate. T him or don't T him - as you say, HTBT. But telling the coach whether he can play a player or not is incredibly awful. We, as officials, have absolutely no right to do this. If his actions warrant the T, do it... but even if they do, he can stay in the game - where is it even remotely our place to suggest he sit? Just awful.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I find nothing wrong with Snag's approach ... but the OP's approach is awful. I can think of NO instance where telling a coach to bench a player is appropriate. T him or don't T him - as you say, HTBT. But telling the coach whether he can play a player or not is incredibly awful. We, as officials, have absolutely no right to do this. If his actions warrant the T, do it... but even if they do, he can stay in the game - where is it even remotely our place to suggest he sit? Just awful.

Some areas, and some leagues, this is an accepted practice. These are usually coach-run leagues, so if a coach didn't like the approach it won't last long.

I'd never consider doing this in any regular season game, at any level; but sometimes things can be used during summer ball that can't be used during the regular season.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Some areas, and some leagues, this is an accepted practice. These are usually coach-run leagues, so if a coach didn't like the approach it won't last long.

I'd never consider doing this in any regular season game, at any level; but sometimes things can be used during summer ball that can't be used during the regular season.

The problem I see, depending on game situation, is that this kid might be his best player, and your invented penalty of telling the coach to bench him would be WORSE to that team than simply giving them the penalty they earned (the T) ... if the T is even necessary. Who knows how long before that next dead ball so he can reenter ... who knows if you've now forced that team to use a TO to get the kid back in. I can think of SO many things wrong about this, I'm very surprised it's tolerated, much less suggested or accepted.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

The problem I see, depending on game situation, is that this kid might be his best player, and your invented penalty of telling the coach to bench him would be WORSE to that team than simply giving them the penalty they earned (the T) ... if the T is even necessary. Who knows how long before that next dead ball so he can reenter ... who knows if you've now forced that team to use a TO to get the kid back in. I can think of SO many things wrong about this, I'm very surprised it's tolerated, much less suggested or accepted.

The emphasis of summer ball is not winning so much as instruction, playing time, conditioning, etc. IOW, it's a learning time. Some coaches request this remedy.
Some don't even shoot free throws for Ts (some just give points, some shoot one shot) in the summer. Others would rather sit the kid, skip the free throws, and keep the game moving.
That said, if I were ever to make such a suggestion, it would be a suggestion only, and a coach would be free to ignore it without penalty. But if I was to take that step, the player would be awfully close to earning the T.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I can think of NO instance where telling a coach to bench a player is appropriate.

That's on me. I misread that part. I didn't see past "the fingers." I agree with you, MB.

[tref]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I can think of NO instance where telling a coach to bench a player is appropriate.

Just got this email from the assignor of this weekends tournament...

Tournament Regulations and Guidelines  For 9th -12th Grade Division

Inappropriate behavior will not be tolerated!!! A referee may remove players from the game or tournament for inappropriate behavior. We are here for the kids. Do not allow or condone poor sportsmanship. This includes coaches and parents!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

Just got this email from the assignor of this weekends tournament...

Tournament Regulations and Guidelines  For 9th -12th Grade Division

Inappropriate behavior will not be tolerated!!! A referee may remove players from the game or tournament for inappropriate behavior. We are here for the kids. Do not allow or condone poor sportsmanship. This includes coaches and parents!

Hey, when in Rome, wear a toga.

Hopefully they have some security in place to help enforce the policy.

[tref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Hopefully they have some security in place to help enforce the policy.

Probably not, but I've very rarely went there anyway. And if I do, hey its Colorado not the 2 up 2 down

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

Probably not, but I've very rarely went there anyway. And if I do, hey its Colorado not the 2 up 2 down

Shoot, I've heard some stories about the Springs. And Colfax Ave is famous among Air Force folks.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Shoot, I've heard some stories about the Springs. And Colfax Ave is famous among Air Force folks.

Colfax is almost famous among law enforcement folks.

As for the Springs. No comment.

[tref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Shoot, I've heard some stories about the Springs. And Colfax Ave is famous among Air Force folks.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Colfax is almost famous among law enforcement folks.

As for the Springs. No comment.

I've had more trouble in the Springs than in the 5280. Maybe its a familiarity thing?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I find nothing wrong with Snag's approach ... but the OP's approach is awful. I can think of NO instance where telling a coach to bench a player is appropriate. T him or don't T him - as you say, HTBT. But telling the coach whether he can play a player or not is incredibly awful. We, as officials, have absolutely no right to do this. If his actions warrant the T, do it... but even if they do, he can stay in the game - where is it even remotely our place to suggest he sit? Just awful.