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Was watching a 12u AAU game. A1 drives in for a lay-up attempt. B1 and B2 attempt to block the shot. Ref blows the whistle, preparing to call a foul on B2. B1 doesn't realize the foul is on his teammate, thinks its going to be on him, so throws his arms out, palms up, like "are you serious". B1 sort of stomps away - not hugely dramatic, but obvious. As the official reports the foul he looks at B's coach, holds out his hand with his index finger and thumb almost touching, like "he's this close, coach", and tells the coach to take B1 out. Coach complies.

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Old Tue Jun 21, 2011, 02:09pm
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Was watching a 12u AAU game. A1 drives in for a lay-up attempt. B1 and B2 attempt to block the shot. Ref blows the whistle, preparing to call a foul on B2. B1 doesn't realize the foul is on his teammate, thinks its going to be on him, so throws his arms out, palms up, like "are you serious". B1 sort of stomps away - not hugely dramatic, but obvious. As the official reports the foul he looks at B's coach, holds out his hand with his index finger and thumb almost touching, like "he's this close, coach", and tells the coach to take B1 out. Coach complies.

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So he said "he's this close, coach" and he told the coach to take him out? That's a whole lot of conversation.

Telling a coach to take someone out of a game has been discussed in a recent thread.
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Old Tue Jun 21, 2011, 02:40pm
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Old Tue Jun 21, 2011, 02:46pm
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Personally, I'd give the T; but I've got no issue with some preventive officiating here. I don't ask the coach to pull the player, however. I'll usually just say something along the lines of, "Coach, you might want to have a word with #23."
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Old Tue Jun 21, 2011, 02:49pm
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Personally, I'd give the T; but I've got no issue with some preventive officiating here. I don't ask the coach to pull the player, however. I'll usually just say something along the lines of, "Coach, you might want to have a word with #23."
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Whether I'd call the T is an HTBT, but I find nothing wrong with the OP's approach.
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Old Tue Jun 21, 2011, 03:00pm
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Whether I'd call the T is an HTBT, but I find nothing wrong with the OP's approach.
That approach was ok if the rules say that an official may sit a player...

But what works well for me in that situation (multiple defenders in the vicinity on a foul call) *Tweet* "34 thats yours." It helps eliminate 23 thinking its on him.
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I'll usually just say something along the lines of, "Coach, you might want to have a word with #23."
So how did Phil Jackson reply when you told him to have a word with Michael Jordan?
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That approach was ok if the rules say that an official may sit a player...

But what works well for me in that situation (multiple defenders in the vicinity on a foul call) *Tweet* "34 thats yours." It helps eliminate 23 thinking its on him.
For that matter, proper mechanics essentially require you do do so.....not in those words but effectively the same result. If there is any question about who may have committed the foul, I very quickly (more so than normal) identify the fouler to avoid exactly that sort of response.

Often, I'll even tell the non-fouling player that they made a clean play (had great position or whatever) if I sense any sort of reaction coming.....kill the response before they do something I have to penalize.
  • "Hey blue 44, you had great position....it would have been a charge if your teammate hadn't shoved him in the back."
  • "Hey red 13, you were straight up, but 24 smacked him on his face".

I find that such things help keep those players from turning into problems.
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For that matter, proper mechanics essentially require you do do so.....not in those words but effectively the same result. If there is any question about who may have committed the foul, I very quickly (more so than normal) identify the fouler to avoid exactly that sort of response.

Often, I'll even tell the non-fouling player that they made a clean play (had great position or whatever) if I sense any sort of reaction coming.....kill the response before they do something I have to penalize.
  • "Hey blue 44, you had great position....it would have been a charge if your teammate hadn't shoved him in the back."
  • "Hey red 13, you were straight up, but 24 smacked him on his face".

I find that such things help keep those players from turning into problems.
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Old Tue Jun 21, 2011, 03:29pm
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Personally, I'd give the T; but I've got no issue with some preventive officiating here. I don't ask the coach to pull the player, however. I'll usually just say something along the lines of, "Coach, you might want to have a word with #23."
I do the same....."Coach, #23 is very close to trouble. Can you help us with him".

Most will deal with it and are very appreciative of the opportunity to reel them in before we penalize. I've even had a few that voluntarily benched the player when I've brought certain actions to their attention....problem solved.
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Old Tue Jun 21, 2011, 03:34pm
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  • "Hey blue 44, you had great position....it would have been a charge if your teammate hadn't shoved him in the back."
  • "Hey red 13, you were straight up, but 24 smacked him on his face".

I find that such things help keep those players from turning into problems.
Absolutely +1
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For that matter, proper mechanics essentially require you do do so.....not in those words but effectively the same result. If there is any question about who may have committed the foul, I very quickly (more so than normal) identify the fouler to avoid exactly that sort of response.

Often, I'll even tell the non-fouling player that they made a clean play (had great position or whatever) if I sense any sort of reaction coming.....kill the response before they do something I have to penalize.
  • "Hey blue 44, you had great position....it would have been a charge if your teammate hadn't shoved him in the back."
  • "Hey red 13, you were straight up, but 24 smacked him on his face".

I find that such things help keep those players from turning into problems.
A+ advice right here also use bird dog mechanic on fouls if possible
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Old Tue Jun 21, 2011, 05:56pm
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A+ advice right here also use bird dog mechanic on fouls if possible
Can't say you'll ever find me bird dogging...if the situation happened like in the OP, I'd just verbalize who the foul was on to prevent the potential problem with the other player.
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Old Tue Jun 21, 2011, 08:38pm
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A+ advice right here also use bird dog mechanic on fouls if possible necessary
Fixed it for you.

It's never necessary. As APG noted, just verbalize it.
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