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Old Tue Jun 21, 2011, 10:35pm
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what makes you say its never necessary? just wondering im learning too lol
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Old Tue Jun 21, 2011, 10:39pm
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what makes you say its never necessary? just wondering im learning too lol
While "never" may be extreme, it's a relic signal. It's easier to verbalize, and better, IMO. It's less confrontational.

I can't imagine a scenario where it would be better than verbalizing.

If your supervisors and assigners want you to use it, disregard everything I've written on the topic.
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Old Tue Jun 21, 2011, 10:51pm
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what makes you say its never necessary? just wondering im learning too lol
It's almost never necessary...for 90+ percent of the calls we make, everyone knows who you're calling it on The only time I could justify using the mechanic, is in a situation like the OP brought up, but I'd rather just use my voice to defuse that situation. Plus IMO, it just looks silly and was a pet peeve of mine watching the tournament this year and every official bird dogging and pointing on all types of calls that no one had a question about.
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Old Wed Jun 22, 2011, 10:22am
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Plus IMO, it just looks silly and was a pet peeve of mine watching the tournament this year and every official bird dogging and pointing on all types of calls that no one had a question about.
Unfortunately in TN it is mandatory. The State Supervisor has stated that if "I walk into a GYM to observe a referee that has been recommended by a local association, to work the State tournament, and said referee does not Bird Dog the first foul He calls, I am turning and walking out of the gym."

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Old Wed Jun 22, 2011, 10:37am
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The State Supervisor has stated that if "I walk into a GYM to observe a referee that has been recommended by a local association, to work the State tournament, and said referee does not Bird Dog the first foul He calls, I am turning and walking out of the gym."
Thats quite unfortunate
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Old Wed Jun 22, 2011, 01:55pm
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Thats quite unfortunate
It is a simple matter of expecting officials to follow simple instructions from the state about how they want the game called. If the don't do something so simple as that, why should they believe they'll do what else is asked of them?
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Old Wed Jun 22, 2011, 02:02pm
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It is a simple matter of expecting officials to follow simple instructions from the state about how they want the game called. If the don't do something so simple as that, why should they believe they'll do what else is asked of them?
Thats one way of looking at it. Another is, WTF does bird dogging have to do with the ultimate goal... getting plays RIGHT?

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The State Supervisor has stated that if "I walk into a GYM to observe a referee that has been recommended by a local association, to work the State tournament, and said referee does not Bird Dog the first foul He calls, I am turning and walking out of the gym."
What if the first foul he calls is a fastbreak one on one block/charge? I come out with a block & I have to point the offender out as he lays on his back! It's unfortunate for those who have to follow THAT order.
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Old Thu Jun 23, 2011, 01:49pm
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Here's the procedure we're taught:

Tweet! Color, number, infraction. (Blue, 44, Push... say it right there on the spot.)

Then point to the place where it's going to be put in play (or say two shots, or whatever is appropriate) ... so your partners know what's going on.

Then go report.

Solves a lot of the above... without bird dogging. Ugh.
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Old Thu Jun 23, 2011, 10:58pm
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Unfortunately in TN it is mandatory. The State Supervisor has stated that if "I walk into a GYM to observe a referee that has been recommended by a local association, to work the State tournament, and said referee does not Bird Dog the first foul He calls, I am turning and walking out of the gym."
Does this old codger still communicate via fax too?
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Does this old codger still communicate via fax too?
Nah, it takes him too long to dial the numbers on rotary.
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Old Fri Jun 24, 2011, 10:29am
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Does this old codger still communicate via fax too?
He is not all that old, He is going to be around a long, long, time. Active NCAA referee, full time employee of the State.

The Board of Control sets policy. It is run by school administrators, ADs, Principles etc. The State Supervisor is seen as the "Bad Guy", but is only enforcing what the BOC sets as policy.
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walking out

State guy says the first foul he sees without a bird dog he's turning and walking out.

Betcha he doesn't.
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