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[RandyBrown]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yes. Several times and in different ways.

In case I ever see it while working, please share, and maybe I'll be prepared. By the way, did you T it under 10-3-4a?

[APG]

Originally Posted by RandyBrown

In case I ever see it while working, please share, and maybe I'll be prepared. By the way, did you T it under 10-3-4a?

Believe me when I say, when you see it, it'll be patently blatant, and it'll call itself.

[RandyBrown]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Believe me when I say, when you see it, it'll be patently blatant, and it'll call itself.

It will probably have to. In one of my first AAU games, I witnessed a kid make one of the most fluid hook and spin moves for an easy lay-in I have ever seen. It came toward me from the block across the key while in Lead. I was so shocked, I could do nothing but admire it (along with the even more mesmerized spectator standing behind me). Same thing happened later in the game by a very small player on the same team. Again, while in Lead, he grabs the jersey of a much larger opponent under the basket during rebounding, precisely at the moment the opponent tries to go up for the rebound, and then quickly released. The opponent didn't even know it had happened. Again, I was dumbfounded, and unable to react. I was not prepared for those sorts of tactics at that level.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RandyBrown

In case I ever see it while working, please share, and maybe I'll be prepared. By the way, did you T it under 10-3-4a?

Defensive player puts one hand on one side of the board to steady himself and swats the ball away on the other side with the other hand. "T" for the hand on the board and possible goaltending or basket interference on the swat.

Defensive player grabs the ring with one hand and swats a try away with the other. Same result. Technical foul and possible GT or BI.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Defensive player puts one hand on one side of the board to steady himself and swats the ball away on the other side with the other hand.

Thus, the "Ralph Sampson Rule".

[RandyBrown]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Back in the middle of the twentieth century, in order to charge a technical foul for slapping the backboard, didn't the official need to observe the backboard vibrating during a try? If so, maybe this is what's confusing RandyBrown because somewhere along the way, I believe, the NFHS took away the vibrate part of the rule.

Where's Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. when you need him? Probably calling some poor, young, high school pitcher for a balk because he scratched his nose while on the pitcher's mound.

Billy, there was a lot of confusion to go around, because multiple things got brought up during the discourse. You're back on 10-3-4, where I started. The confusion I am thought to suffer commenced when we moved on to 10-3-3, and someone then broght up basket interference thinking I was involving it, somehow, but I was not.

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I feel like most every official would call a T or the appropriate violation if a player grabbed the rim with the off-hand and then preceded to dunk the ball with the other hand. For the most part, we don't apply advantage/disadvantage to violations/technical fouls. I suppose you could say a player grabbed the rim to prevent injury and not call the T, but whenever I've seen this called it's pretty obvious that there was no threat of injury.

That sounds like a practical, middle-of-the-road response to my question/situation. Thank you. Anyone diverge from this?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RandyBrown

Billy, there was a lot of confusion to go around, because multiple things got brought up during the discourse. You're back on 10-3-4, where I started. The confusion I am thought to suffer commenced when we moved on to 10-3-3, and someone then broght up basket interference thinking I was involving it, somehow, but I was not.

You're the one who brought BI into the discussion by saying:

Originally Posted by RandyBrown

An interesting one: Isn't that legal, because done while dunking?

The exception noted in the rule book for dunking is for BI, not for a technical foul. IOW, grasping the rim is a T. Period. End of story. The only exception to that is if the player is trying to prevent an injury; and that does not require a dunk to be attempted.

[RandyBrown]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You're the one who brought BI into the discussion by saying:



The exception noted in the rule book for dunking is for BI, not for a technical foul. IOW, grasping the rim is a T. Period. End of story. The only exception to that is if the player is trying to prevent an injury; and that does not require a dunk to be attempted.

Don't be so pessimistic. The exception you are referencing is in the definition of BI, right? I hadn't even considered it. I was talking about the injury prevention aspect, and how dunkers are commonly allowed to get away with what seems to be a loose enforcement of 10-3-3 in deference to the mere chance that the grasping may be prophylactic. Given the latitude they are allowed, my question came down to who strictly enforces 10-3-3 in situations with the off-hand getting there a bit early, with no advantage gained because of it.