2011 Tournament Discussion Redux

[BktBallRef]

Google NCAA Basketball Rules.

[Spence]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Google NCAA Basketball Rules.

Got it. It just said "if it's excessive."

Any guidelines/ideas on what you're looking for to determine if it's just a "hard foul" or it qualifies as "excessive?"

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Spence

Got it. It just said "if it's excessive."

Any guidelines/ideas on what you're looking for to determine if it's just a "hard foul" or it qualifies as "excessive?"

I've had an excessive foul when players try to make that block from behind, but the contact through the back is waaay before the block attempt.

Yes, B1 was playing the ball, but he made no attempt to not go through airborne A1. That's contact that must be curtailed/discouraged.

[DGwhistle40]

PLUS! There was also contact to the head, which you could only see on one replay. Definitely the correct call, IMO.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Spence

Got it. It just said "if it's excessive."

Any guidelines/ideas on what you're looking for to determine if it's just a "hard foul" or it qualifies as "excessive?"

d. Intentional personal foul. An intentional foul shall be a personal foul that, on the basis of an official’s observation of the act, may be purposeful or reactionary and is not based solely on the severity of the act. Examples include, but are not limited to:
1. Causing excessive, nonflagrant contact with an opponent while playing the ball;
2. Contact that is not a legitimate attempt to play the ball or player, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock from starting;
3. Pushing or holding a player from behind to prevent a score;

[ATXCoach]

So I am clearly a Texas fan. The question I have is on the 5-second call at the end of the game?

After a timeout, Texas is inbounding the ball and at about 4.5 seconds, the inbounder goes to call a timeout. The ref, who has just started his fifth arm swing, stops his count and immediately calls a five-second violation.

The TNT announcer said after the game it was the right call because you can't call a timeout after four seconds. Maybe he said after the ref starts his fifth arm swing.

In any event, sounds strange to me. Can somebody help me understand?

I'm not bitter, just curious. Obviously NCAA rules.

Thanks in advance.

[APG]

They are wrong. There is no rule that states a time out can not be called when a count has reached four.

I personally thought I heard timeout a little bit after the fourth swing. The official did call the violation before his fifth swing. He was maybe halfway into it. Mechanics wise, I thought it was a poor job.

[APG]

Rule 5
Section 12. Timeouts Not Granted

Art. 1. No timeouts shall be granted:

a. To the opponents of the throw-in team after the throw-in starts.
b. During an interrupted dribble.
c. To a player or coach when an airborne player’s momentum is carrying him/her out of bounds or into the backcourt.
d. Unless there is player control by the requesting team. Exception: Rule 5-12.1.c.
e. Until after the jump ball that begins the game and the conditions as described in Rule 5-10 are in effect.


That's it...nothing about not granting one after a certain point in a count.

[HornPowered]

Inbounder was calling for the TO even before he finished the 4 second count.

[fiasco]

Gosh these announcers annoy me to no end. They do such a disservice to officiating by spouting off these made-up rules.

[APG]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Gosh these announcers annoy me to no end. They do such a disservice to officiating by spouting off these made-up rules.

What I have to wonder is if they asked John Adams before spouting that one off. I know I've seen him on the networks for controversial plays. I'd have to venture he wasn't approached before they made that misstatement because there was a potential foul at the end of this game and they were confused about it. Contact happened after the lights went off, but it took them a while to figure that out.

[cmar]

I'd like to get to the bottom of this as well, because i'd never heard of rule until it was called and seth davis (always the voice of reason ) said it, and have seen plenty of times where the timeout was granted. Obviously if that's incorrect and this was the correct ruling, i'd like to know for my own future reference.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by ATXCoach

The TNT announcer said after the game it was the right call because you can't call a timeout after four seconds.
In any event, sounds strange to me. Can somebody help me understand?

Maybe the announcer was an old fogey who remembers back 30+ years when that used to be the operative ruling???
Not applicable at all in the modern game.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by justacoach

Maybe the announcer was an old fogey who remembers back 30+ years when that used to be the operative ruling???

Change of status.

[stiffler3492]

Just to pile on...I heard Will Perdue calling the North Carolina game on radio today. First he accused an official who, by the radio description, sold a blocking foul call of making it about himself. Then when there was a close OOB call, said he thought they could look at the monitor to determine who hit it out of bounds.

He was quickly corrected.