2011 Tournament Discussion Redux

[Berkut]

Originally Posted by just another ref

No but the contact clearly disrupted the shot, after which it was swatted into row eight.

You would really call that a foul, seeing it at full speed?

Here it is at full speed. The contact is basically simultaneous with the block.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwRzNFJ67oM

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Berkut

You would really call that a foul, seeing it at full speed?

Here it is at full speed. The contact is basically simultaneous with the block.

YouTube - Derrick Williams game-winning block against Memphis

Probably not, but if the foul had been called, it was justified. As to the "zero chance of going in" part, that is debatable, and, by rule, not relevant.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Clearly contact on the shooter's right elbow before the block. Beats the hell out of me why people think such a play is legal.

Disagree. The shooter is at an angle and leading with his right elbow as his jumps. The contact is from the shooter extending his elbow. The defender does not slap the opponent's arm, rather the leading elbow contacts his body as he is jumping. I don't have a foul on this contact.
We can't penalize a defender when the offensive player extends an arm and contacts him.
The block following that action is definitely clean.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Chat is open...JugglingRef and I are there.

I've had issues getting into the room, I'm gonna try computer #3 later today......

PS - So, Mr. Obama went 15-1 yesterday in his picks, Michigan won the game without foul shots......Tsunami's. earthquakes! Sheesh!

[refiator]

The foul against Butler with time expiring was either the worst call I have ever seen or the guttiest.
Not many officials would blow their whistles in that circumstance. I am still not sure there was enough contact to make that call, but kudos for having the balls to call it. That one was big time.

[refiator]

Hindsight..Good call....Statement still stands. Very few have what it takes to make that call.

[rulesmaven]

Teams have scored with less time going full court in the tournament. You have to give the player the chance to play the ball. Easy call to me.

Can't wait for a week of "swallow the whistle talk." The Pitt kid on the rebounding action really gave the ref no choice.

[LeeBallanfant]

Originally Posted by rulesmaven

Teams have scored with less time going full court in the tournament. You have to give the player the chance to play the ball. Easy call to me.

Can't wait for a week of "swallow the whistle talk." The Pitt kid on the rebounding action really gave the ref no choice.

I guess when James Madison said to officiate until the game is over, the officials took heed.

[BktBallRef]

Both calls were good calls. If you don't have the balls to blow either of those fouls, I don't want to be on the floor with you.

[Jurassic Referee]

That had to be two of the stoopidest fouls committed that I've ever seen. Absolutely dumb!

Don't kill the messenger. He did his job...and did it well.

[Texas Aggie]

Teams have scored with less time going full court in the tournament.

There was 1.4 seconds on the clock. Can you give me an example of any teams that have gone full court and scored in 1.3 or less?

The first call was correct. Player was forced into either a travel or OOB by contact. No choice but to call a foul. Second one should have been ignored. Even IF you can make a case for a foul in that situation, the score is tied with little chance of a score absent a call. Leave it alone, play 5 minutes more and then any call or no-call becomes moot.

Had one team been ahead, you can argue the foul. If there's a chance for OT, absent the prevention of a valid scoring attempt, go to OT. There's no advantage gained by grabbing an arm 90 feet from the basket with about a second left. No one here has yet made the case for such an advantage. Ordinarily, without an unfair advantage in a contact situation, we're going to leave it alone.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

... There's no advantage gained by grabbing an arm 90 feet from the basket with about a second left. No one here has yet made the case for such an advantage. Ordinarily, without an unfair advantage in a contact situation, we're going to leave it alone.

Then why grab the arm?

[Judtech]

That's why we have the chat room LOL
St Joe's coach had a great comment: "This is about young guys in pressure situations making bad decisions. This is not about the guys in stripes.""
Also, did anyone see the Butler press conference? They asked Mack what he was saying on the FT line to the Pitt player and he said he was asking "Where are you from? I'm from Lexington, KY". "What is your GPA? Mine is 3.0" etc. When you watch the replay, darned if that isn't what he is saying!

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

There was 1.4 seconds on the clock. Can you give me an example of any teams that have gone full court and scored in 1.3 or less?

I thought of Christian Laettner's shot in 1992. Looked it up. 2.1 seconds for that one.

Even the NCAA Head of Officiating told Ernie Johnson those were both fouls that needed to be called. I have to agree. And I'll bet the official that made those calls will be working next weekend!!

[SAJ]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

There was 1.4 seconds on the clock. Can you give me an example of any teams that have gone full court and scored in 1.3 or less?

Tate George