T-Worthy?

[Mark Padgett]

I know this isn't that relevant to HS, but if this happened in our local kids rec league, it's an automatic flagrant technical with ejection. If it came from a coach, it would also include a one game suspension and if it came from a parent, that parent would be ejected and not allowed back into games for the rest of the season.

Harsh? Well, it's been this way for many years and it fits in with our policies regarding sportsmanship.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by rfp

Similar question to a recent post about T-ing a player who, in frustration with himself, slammed the ball hard to the ground. Most seemed to agree this was not T-worthy since it wasn't directed at an opponent or official.

Similar situation: boys HS varsity playoff semi-final. Early in first half player A1 drives to the basket, gets fouled and the ball circles the rim and eventually falls off. By the time the ball falls to the ground, A1 is now in front of me at C position in front of the B bench. When he sees the shot miss, he drops the F-bomb loud enough for me and the B bench to hear. B coach wants a T. Waddya got?

T. No option, that's required by the NCHSAA. That's not basketball.

[Maineac]

Originally Posted by rfp

A1 is now in front of me at C position in front of the B bench. When he sees the shot miss, he drops the F-bomb loud enough for me and the B bench to hear. B coach wants a T. Waddya got?

Based on the OP info above, I'm going with the less popular answer of a quick talking to. No mention in the OP of anyone in the bleachers hearing it, etc. The same response I would give a team B player in a similar situation, btw.

[Adam]

For crying out loud, Rut. The OP was pretty straight forward. I'm normally with you on the "no-automatic" T's issue, but the OP was specific enough and straight forward enough. You're just reading too much into it in order to take an opposite opinion. It's your right, but good grief.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

For crying out loud, Rut. The OP was pretty straight forward. I'm normally with you on the "no-automatic" T's issue, but the OP was specific enough and straight forward enough. You're just reading too much into it in order to take an opposite opinion. It's your right, but good grief.

Well I did not say it was not straight forward. But it did say only the bench heard it. I need a little more than that when giving a T if I hear language than the standard as to what the opposition bench heard. And if the coach protests, then I will tell them "Do you want me to call a T for every time their kid uses any form of foul language." I was just around someone recently where their teenager used some words on a regular basis that I would feel uncomfortable using as an adult now around certain people and family member.

No one has answered yet what is the "F" word so over the top but other words seem to get a pass? If the goal is not to allow kids to use any "foul language" then all words should be "automatic T."

I did not ask you to like the standard I hold for crying out loud.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well I did not say it was not straight forward.

Yeah, actually you did, when you said you needed more context. Perhaps you misspoke.

I doubt it, though.....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yeah, actually you did, when you said you needed more context. Perhaps you misspoke.

I doubt it, though.....

I did need more context to give a T, but that does not mean it was not straight forward. It said only the bench heard. That is not enough for me alone. And I also did not say I would not give a T at all, the context was other things will factor in matters to me.

I really do not know why you are trying to convince me what I should do? If you want to call a T, go right ahead and knock yourself out. I want to have more situational awareness before this is a call for me.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Maineac

Based on the OP info above, I'm going with the less popular answer of a quick talking to. No mention in the OP of anyone in the bleachers hearing it, etc. The same response I would give a team B player in a similar situation, btw.

Go for it, but I can tell you if the coach for B ran that complaint up the chain, I'd be working small school JV games (I won't tell you what gender) for a year. Loud enough for any opponent to hear is too loud, IMO.

And the "I'd do the same for you" response wouldn't fly here, either, as that coach would rightly expect a T to be called on one of his players for doing that.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Maineac

Based on the OP info above, I'm going with the less popular answer of a quick talking to. No mention in the OP of anyone in the bleachers hearing it, etc. The same response I would give a team B player in a similar situation, btw.

And if it's loud enough to be heard in the stands? Automatic "T" or judgment?

[Maineac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And if it's loud enough to be heard in the stands? Automatic "T" or judgment?

Yeah, then I'd go with the "T." I know it sounds like splitting hairs, but I guess for me this is a HTBT.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Maineac

Yeah, then I'd go with the "T." I know it sounds like splitting hairs, but I guess for me this is a HTBT.

I think it's more a case of different circumstances than splitting hairs.

[constable]

Originally Posted by rfp

Similar question to a recent post about T-ing a player who, in frustration with himself, slammed the ball hard to the ground. Most seemed to agree this was not T-worthy since it wasn't directed at an opponent or official.

Similar situation: boys HS varsity playoff semi-final. Early in first half player A1 drives to the basket, gets fouled and the ball circles the rim and eventually falls off. By the time the ball falls to the ground, A1 is now in front of me at C position in front of the B bench. When he sees the shot miss, he drops the F-bomb loud enough for me and the B bench to hear. B coach wants a T. Waddya got?

Profanity regardless of who it is directed at, if it is loud enough for the fans to hear, our bosses around here want a T.