Double Foul During AP Throw-In

[JugglingReferee]

Double foul goes to POI. The arrow doesn't change on a foul, so it remains in A's favour. POI is a situation with no team control, so we use the arrow. Arrow points to A, so A's ball for an APA throw-in.

I'm not sure if that's what you're sayin', Snaq.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Double foul goes to POI. The arrow doesn't change on a foul, so it remains in A's favour. POI is a situation with no team control, so we use the arrow. Arrow points to A, so A's ball for an APA throw-in.

I'm not sure if that's what you're sayin', Snaq.

Nope, it's not what I'm saying.

Everyone seems to be getting confused by the fact that the throw-in happens to be an AP throw-in.

Anytime a DF happens during a throw-in, you simply resume that throw-in. Since this one is an AP throw-in, you go back and do the AP throw-in and flip the arrow when appropriate.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Nope, it's not what I'm saying.

Everyone seems to be getting confused by the fact that the throw-in happens to be an AP throw-in.

Anytime a DF happens during a throw-in, you simply resume that throw-in. Since this one is an AP throw-in, you go back and do the AP throw-in and flip the arrow when appropriate.

But we ended up with the same conclusion, and I don't believe that anything I said is incorrect.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

... POI is a situation with no team control, so we use the arrow...

I'm not sure if that's what you're sayin', Snaq.

That is not correct. POI most definitely involves team control. It's the first thing on the check list.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That is not correct. POI most definitely involves team control. It's the first thing on the check list.

I never did receive a copy of this year's books, so could you please enter that list for me?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I never did receive a copy of this year's books, so could you please enter that list for me?

It's a mental one. And your statement concerning POI is still wrong.

[JugglingReferee]

Ok, thanks M&M. When I wrote POI in my reply, I meant P in the game OI.

[tref]

A good way to remember how to administer POI situations (aside from studying the rulebook) is, what would've happened had my partner not blown his/her whistle.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

A good way to remember how to administer POI situations (aside from studying the rulebook) is, what would've happened had my partner not blown his/her whistle.

I'm going to pick a nit because I know you won't take it personally.

This got me to thinking, maybe we could word this better by saying, "what was happening when the whistle blew?"

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm going to pick a nit because I know you won't take it personally.

This got me to thinking, maybe we could word this better by saying, "what was happening when the whistle blew?"

There is one exception, that being a shot in flight. Then the POI is determined by whether or not the shot was made.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

There is one exception, that being a made basket if the DF occurs during a shot in flight.

True, the only reason I changed it was because "what would have happened" could lead to some incorrect rulings if an official decided that B1 "would have had an easy steal" or something similar.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

True, the only reason I changed it was because "what would have happened" could lead to some incorrect rulings if an official decided that B1 "would have had an easy steal" or something similar.

Coach: Come on ref, he was going to fall down when you blew your whistle! That would've been a travel... POI no??

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm going to pick a nit because I know you won't take it personally.

This got me to thinking, maybe we could word this better by saying, "what was happening when the whistle blew?"

True, true... perhaps its better to hit the books :-)

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm going to pick a nit because I know you won't take it personally.

This got me to thinking, maybe we could word this better by saying, "what was happening when the whistle blew?"

Me too:

"A whole bunch of crap that needed to be called." So, why would we want to go back to that?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Me too:

"A whole bunch of crap that needed to be called." So, why would we want to go back to that?

Which is why you don't go back and ask the coach what was happening when the whistle blew.