Double Foul During AP Throw-In

[reffish]

Double foul goes with POI when there is team control. During a throw-in, there is no player control, hence no team control. So the subsequent throw-in will be based on possession arrow. However, the double foul occurred during a possession arrow throw-in. The foul does not cause the team entitled to the throw-in lose the possession arrow. The arrow stays, and the subsequent throw-in is for the no team control during a double foul go to the arrow throw-in.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by reffish

Double foul goes with POI when there is team control. During a throw-in, there is no player control, hence no team control. So the subsequent throw-in will be based on possession arrow. However, the double foul occurred during a possession arrow throw-in. The foul does not cause the team entitled to the throw-in lose the possession arrow. The arrow stays, and the subsequent throw-in is for the no team control during a double foul go to the arrow throw-in.

Right result, wrong reason.

1. Double fouls always go to POI. Always.
2. First stop: was there team control? No.
3. Next stop: was a throw-in involved or pending? Yes. Go back to that.

[JugglingReferee]

Double foul goes to POI. The arrow doesn't change on a foul, so it remains in A's favour. POI is a situation with no team control, so we use the arrow. Arrow points to A, so A's ball for an APA throw-in.

I'm not sure if that's what you're sayin', Snaq.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Double foul goes to POI. The arrow doesn't change on a foul, so it remains in A's favour. POI is a situation with no team control, so we use the arrow. Arrow points to A, so A's ball for an APA throw-in.

I'm not sure if that's what you're sayin', Snaq.

Nope, it's not what I'm saying.

Everyone seems to be getting confused by the fact that the throw-in happens to be an AP throw-in.

Anytime a DF happens during a throw-in, you simply resume that throw-in. Since this one is an AP throw-in, you go back and do the AP throw-in and flip the arrow when appropriate.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Nope, it's not what I'm saying.

Everyone seems to be getting confused by the fact that the throw-in happens to be an AP throw-in.

Anytime a DF happens during a throw-in, you simply resume that throw-in. Since this one is an AP throw-in, you go back and do the AP throw-in and flip the arrow when appropriate.

But we ended up with the same conclusion, and I don't believe that anything I said is incorrect.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

... POI is a situation with no team control, so we use the arrow...

I'm not sure if that's what you're sayin', Snaq.

That is not correct. POI most definitely involves team control. It's the first thing on the check list.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That is not correct. POI most definitely involves team control. It's the first thing on the check list.

I never did receive a copy of this year's books, so could you please enter that list for me?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I never did receive a copy of this year's books, so could you please enter that list for me?

It's a mental one. And your statement concerning POI is still wrong.

[JugglingReferee]

Ok, thanks M&M. When I wrote POI in my reply, I meant P in the game OI.

[tref]

A good way to remember how to administer POI situations (aside from studying the rulebook) is, what would've happened had my partner not blown his/her whistle.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

A good way to remember how to administer POI situations (aside from studying the rulebook) is, what would've happened had my partner not blown his/her whistle.

I'm going to pick a nit because I know you won't take it personally.

This got me to thinking, maybe we could word this better by saying, "what was happening when the whistle blew?"

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm going to pick a nit because I know you won't take it personally.

This got me to thinking, maybe we could word this better by saying, "what was happening when the whistle blew?"

There is one exception, that being a shot in flight. Then the POI is determined by whether or not the shot was made.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm going to pick a nit because I know you won't take it personally.

This got me to thinking, maybe we could word this better by saying, "what was happening when the whistle blew?"

True, true... perhaps its better to hit the books :-)

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm going to pick a nit because I know you won't take it personally.

This got me to thinking, maybe we could word this better by saying, "what was happening when the whistle blew?"

Me too:

"A whole bunch of crap that needed to be called." So, why would we want to go back to that?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Double foul goes to POI. The arrow doesn't change on a foul, so it remains in A's favour. POI is a situation with no team control, so we use the arrow. Arrow points to A, so A's ball for an APA throw-in.

I'm not sure if that's what you're sayin', Snaq.

Nope, not quite. POI is the team last in control, or other activity, such as a throw-in or FT. You only go to the arrow when there is no team control, or no other activity to complete.

For example, change Bob's question to the following: B travels, so A has a throw-in for the violation. The arrow is currently pointing to B. A5 and B5 commit a double foul. As mentioned before, A5 and B5 are both charged for a foul, no FT's, and then A will get the original throw-in as a result of the POI, which was the throw-in they were attempting at the time of the double foul. B would not get an AP throw-in as a result of the double foul.