Tim Higgins

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by biz

Adams went out of his way to compliment Burr on the season he was having and then "no commented" on Higgins and Walton. You don't have to read between the lines too hard to come up with the conclusion that Burr will get an NCAA assignment and the other two won't.

I would disagree with you too. Burr as the new Trail has responsibility for the line that Brownlee stepped out on so that is in his PCA, although I agree that in transition Higgins should have helped him on the OOB call.

Here's another comment from Mr. Adams, nothing earth shattering though.


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I'm with Rut. Who is the guy in front of the St John's bench? Higgins or Burr? THAT is the guy who was apparently straight-lined.

[mbyron]

The previously posted video showed just 1:09 of coverage; this one shows 3 minutes. It also shows the plays, one under each basket, that many feel were missed foul calls.

[biz]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

I'm with Rut. Who is the guy in front of the St John's bench? Higgins or Burr? THAT is the guy who was apparently straight-lined.

Higgins is in front of the St John's bench.

For clarification:

Jim Burr



Tim Higgins

[APG]

On the dribble drive by the Rutgers player, I most definitely have a foul on the defender.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

On the dribble drive by the Rutgers player, I most definitely have a foul on the defender.

That's what I was thinking. A still photo doesn't prove anything, but this one is suggestive:

[APG]

Originally Posted by mbyron

That's what I was thinking. A still photo doesn't prove anything, but this one is suggestive:

That to me was the second easiest call. I was absolutely shocked there was no call and a bit confused how some are defending the no call on this one.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

That to me was the second easiest call. I was absolutely shocked there was no call and a bit confused how some are defending the no call on this one.

Even in that picture the defender has a whole lot of ball. The reason I liked it being passed on was b/c of who initiated the contact. The Rutgers player was standing hands up when the SJ player, IMO, jumped into him first. Usually, if I have my hands in the air and someone pokes me in the gut,my hands go down. That is what I think happened on this play.
As for the rebounding foul, the principle of "How did the player end up on the ground" comes into play. IMO, had the State University of New Jersey player not been contacted by the SJ player, he would have NOT gone to the ground. Thus, the SJ player pushed the Rutgers player.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Even in that picture the defender has a whole lot of ball. The reason I liked it being passed on was b/c of who initiated the contact. The Rutgers player was standing hands up when the SJ player, IMO, jumped into him first. Usually, if I have my hands in the air and someone pokes me in the gut,my hands go down. That is what I think happened on this play.
As for the rebounding foul, the principle of "How did the player end up on the ground" comes into play. IMO, had the State University of New Jersey player not been contacted by the SJ player, he would have NOT gone to the ground. Thus, the SJ player pushed the Rutgers player.

See I have the defender bring his hands down before the contact occurred. It looked like a whole of arm to me.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

That to me was the second easiest call. I was absolutely shocked there was no call and a bit confused how some are defending the no call on this one.

I can live with the call either way. To echo others, the dribbler initiates contact.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mbyron

That's what I was thinking. A still photo doesn't prove anything, but this one is suggestive:

You're right. A still photo doesn't prove anything. I just watched it again several times and all that did was re-inforce my original impression of the play.

You can't use verticality when a shooter jumps into a defender with LGP. As always, it's a judgment call, bit imo they made the right judgment when they no-called it. You shouldn't bail out any shooter who jumps into their defender imo.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You're right. A still photo doesn't prove anything. I just watched it again several times and all that did was re-inforce my original impression of the play.

You can't use verticality when a shooter jumps into a defender with LGP. As always, it's a judgment call, bit imo they made the right judgment when they no-called it. You shouldn't bail out any shooter who jumps into their defender imo.

Apropos of nothing, as I read this there was a bright flash of lightening and a loud crack of thunder. Seriously. Maybe I should change my thoughts on the play and bring the universe back into alignment

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You're right. A still photo doesn't prove anything. I just watched it again several times and all that did was re-inforce my original impression of the play.

You can't use verticality when a shooter jumps into a defender with LGP. As always, it's a judgment call, bit imo they made the right judgment when they no-called it. You shouldn't bail out any shooter who jumps into their defender imo.

+1 Offensive player initiated the contact. And once that happened, to call something on the defender who had LGP would be wrong. It really is not different from a foul cannot cause a violation.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

+1 Offensive player initiated the contact. And once that happened, to call something on the defender who had LGP would be wrong. It really is not different from a foul cannot cause a violation.

Only if you judge that the contact by the shooter caused the defender to give up the vertical position. The defender doesn't have the right to collapse on the shooter just because there was legal contact.

[SE Minnestoa Re]

I've reffed high school for over 30 years. Never had a desire to be a college ref although I have filled in a few times at the Division 3 level. So I know I am not in these guys league. I am also certain, if there were four TV cameras at every game I have worked and we had this many people reviewing and reviewing, I have likely made awful calls at the end of a close game that would make this one look good.

However since I haven't seen video, ignorance is bliss.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by biz

Higgins is in front of the St John's bench.

For clarification:

Jim Burr



Tim Higgins

Why no picture of Earl Walton?