Hand checking

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by hoopguy

Chalk me up on the side of it is a foul to hand check.

Advantage/Disadvantage does not come into play because it is obviously an advantage to hand check. Anyone who has ever played knows this.

That is direct conflict with 4-27-3. So there still has to be an advantage for a foul or you are not following a rule. I have never heard how POEs or language in POEs trump actual rules language.

Originally Posted by hoopguy

Why would a defender put his/her hands on their opponent if it was not an advantage? Why would the defender take a chance on having a foul called if it was not an advantage? As a player, when I was younger if a defensive player put his hands on me it would start with yelling to get your hands off and if that did not work things would escalate. I have changed with age but it was an advantage in those days and still is.

Why is not part of the rule.

As a ref, I agree with Bob and use the college women's advice. I allow the 'hot stove' touch but call the foul when the hand stays on. Just like any foul call once the players understand how things will be called they adjust.[/QUOTE]

That works if yoiu are working NCAA Women's basketball as that is the standard. Not the standard at the NCAA Men's level or the NF. At least the NCAA Men's standard wants an advantage and is not in total contradiction of the incidental contact rule.

Originally Posted by hoopguy

Refs not understanding that this is a foul is one of the reasons the game has often deteriorated into clutching and grabbing and the speed and quickness of the game has often times been lost.

That might be true, but calling fouls when nothing happens to the player is not what the rules suggests either.

Peace