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My question was a rhetorical question. There is absolutely NO reason for a defender to put his hands on the ball handler PERIOD. To do so is a FOUL. MTD, Sr.
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Chalk me up on the side of it is a foul to hand check.
Advantage/Disadvantage does not come into play because it is obviously an advantage to hand check. Anyone who has ever played knows this. Why would a defender put his/her hands on their opponent if it was not an advantage? Why would the defender take a chance on having a foul called if it was not an advantage? As a player, when I was younger if a defensive player put his hands on me it would start with yelling to get your hands off and if that did not work things would escalate. I have changed with age but it was an advantage in those days and still is. As a ref, I agree with Bob and use the college women's advice. I allow the 'hot stove' touch but call the foul when the hand stays on. Just like any foul call once the players understand how things will be called they adjust. Refs not understanding that this is a foul is one of the reasons the game has often deteriorated into clutching and grabbing and the speed and quickness of the game has often times been lost. |
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![]() As a ref, I agree with Bob and use the college women's advice. I allow the 'hot stove' touch but call the foul when the hand stays on. Just like any foul call once the players understand how things will be called they adjust.[/QUOTE] That works if yoiu are working NCAA Women's basketball as that is the standard. Not the standard at the NCAA Men's level or the NF. At least the NCAA Men's standard wants an advantage and is not in total contradiction of the incidental contact rule. Quote:
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Coaches yell and scream for us to call handchecks on their opponent, but when we call it on them they yell and scream that it is ticky-tack (or whatever word they use). So some of us have adopted the NCAA-W interp into our HS games... |
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I would like to see our association work on consistency for next season, and to communicate to area coaches what's a handcheck and what isn't. The NCAAW criteria are admirably clear and consistent with the NFHS rule. They're worth adopting explicitly IMO.
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4-27-3... contact which does not hinder the opponent from participating in normal defensive or offensive movements should be considered incidental. I think this is the main point being argued , does hand checking 'hinder'. I believe so and I think the NFHS does also since they keep putting it in the POEs. In my short time as a ref, it seems to me that hand checking usually leads to something akin to WWE smackdown on the low post, and escalating fouls on the guards. If we nail 'em, they'll stop. |
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I agree! And whether I'm assigned the position of R or the U99 I like to have the crew define what handchecks will be tonight. Since bringing that up in pregame, I've noticed more consistency during the game.
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