Disconcerting

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

So, help me out. What are your limits to actions by the bench personnel during a free-throw, in regards to disconcertation? Sometimes they're just making noise, yelling "hey-ey-ey, and so forth."

I use discretion here. I don't mind players and coaches talking, etc.

But, if I feel that they are doing it just before the player is about to shoot, for the purpose of "messing" with (disconcerting) the shooter, I will call it.

For example, right as the shooter goes to take his shot, the kid next to him yells really loud, "I got shooter!" My arm goes out.

But, it the player would do that as normal conversation, and stop before the player shoots, I've got nothing.

If the coach or bench players are yelling or yapping, I got nothing. But, if they do it right before the shooter shoots just to disturb him and throw off his concentration, I'll put my hand out.

[Judtech]

Had a game today where this subject came up. The place was paced with a dozen fans......
Twice during FT's in the first half a fans cell phone went off. It was loud but had a good beat. The question was--- would this fall under an artificial noise maker and should we have called a disconcertion on the FT? Both times the FT went in and it only happened once in the second half. Just got me curious.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Had a game today where this subject came up. The place was paced with a dozen fans......
Twice during FT's in the first half a fans cell phone went off. It was loud but had a good beat. The question was--- would this fall under an artificial noise maker and should we have called a disconcertion on the FT? Both times the FT went in and it only happened once in the second half. Just got me curious.

Don't even think about it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Had a game today where this subject came up. The place was paced with a dozen fans......
Twice during FT's in the first half a fans cell phone went off. It was loud but had a good beat. The question was--- would this fall under an artificial noise maker and should we have called a disconcertion on the FT? Both times the FT went in and it only happened once in the second half. Just got me curious.

Yes, you could call it an artificial noisemaker. No, you can't call disconcertion on anyone but an opponent, by rule. You can get game management to get rid of the artificial noisemaker if you want.

[Judtech]

I think discretion is the better part of valor and probably wouldn't call it an artifical noisemaker. Just an odd occurance. Usually, this gym is packed and loud so it was sort of odd to have THAT small a crowd.
I DID like the ringtone, but refrained from asking her who it was!

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I use discretion here. I don't mind players and coaches talking, etc.

But, if I feel that they are doing it just before the player is about to shoot, for the purpose of "messing" with (disconcerting) the shooter, I will call it.

For example, right as the shooter goes to take his shot, the kid next to him yells really loud, "I got shooter!" My arm goes out.

But, it the player would do that as normal conversation, and stop before the player shoots, I've got nothing.

If the coach or bench players are yelling or yapping, I got nothing. But, if they do it right before the shooter shoots just to disturb him and throw off his concentration, I'll put my hand out.

Thanks. I do a lot of mentoring of young officials, and this subject hasn't come up lately. Your response regarding bench personnel is the part I really needed.
BTW, this forum is great! The answers, references, and the humor have cost me a lot of hours of sleep this season, because I just can't hit the sack without reviewing every subject and post. But it's well worth it to me. Thanks, again!