Disconcerting

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Exactly. No matter how many times he does it, it's disconcertion. It's not a technical foul.

You're a good sport too.

I'm not.

If they continue to do it after being warned, I'm "T"ing 'em up in a hearbeat for unsporting behavior. If you don't, there's no use of warning them in the first place. I won't let them make a farce out of the game with repeated violations. And I've got very specific instructions from the NFHS to back me up. From the 2001-02 rule book:

POE #2 Disconcertion During Free Throw:
"The committe emphasizes that disconcertion is a violation and may result in a substitute throw. If persistent or deemed unsporting, the team/player may be penalized with a technical foul.

[Rob1968]

So, help me out. What are your limits to actions by the bench personnel during a free-throw, in regards to disconcertation? Sometimes they're just making noise, yelling "hey-ey-ey, and so forth."

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You're a good sport too.

I'm not.

If they continue to do it after being warned, I'm "T"ing 'em up in a hearbeat for unsporting behavior. If you don't, there's no use of warning them in the first place. I won't let them make a farce out of the game with repeated violations. And I've got very specific instructions from the NFHS to back me up. From the 2001-02 rule book:

POE #2 Disconcertion During Free Throw:
"The committe emphasizes that disconcertion is a violation and may result in a substitute throw. If persistent or deemed unsporting, the team/player may be penalized with a technical foul.

+1

"Persistent or unsporting": I treat these separately. Persistent disconcerting gets a warning. If I have to call a subsequent technical foul, it's for ignoring the warning, not the disconcertion per se.

Unsporting disconcertion would be shouting an obscenity or epithet or the like. That warrants an immediate T without warning.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You're a good sport too.

I'm not.

If they continue to do it after being warned, I'm "T"ing 'em up in a hearbeat for unsporting behavior. If you don't, there's no use of warning them in the first place. I won't let them make a farce out of the game with repeated violations. And I've got very specific instructions from the NFHS to back me up. From the 2001-02 rule book:

POE #2 Disconcertion During Free Throw:
"The committe emphasizes that disconcertion is a violation and may result in a substitute throw. If persistent or deemed unsporting, the team/player may be penalized with a technical foul.

Okay, I can live with that. But posters are saying they're going to assess a T the second time it happens. I don't buy that.

I've NEVER had it more than once when calling disconcertion.

However, a don't think a POE from 2001 is very specific instruction. If this is what the NFHS wants, then it needs to appear in the rule book or case book every year.

[Johnny Ringo]

My thought on this is if it is coming from the bench a warning (along with the violation if missed) and then a second time should be a tech.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

My thought on this is if it is coming from the bench a warning (along with the violation if missed) and then a second time should be a tech.

I'm going to be a bit more deliberate on this. I don't typically give warnings for delayed violations when the shot is made. I've done it once in an AAU game (player behind the shooter yelling just as shot was taken) and the little sh1t tried to argue with me.

If they don't see (or understand) my extended arm; not my problem. If the other coach asks, I'll tell him what's going on.

If I do get the chance to call disconcertion, and they do it again from the bench, then I'll warn them. "Coach, you need to keep your bench under control before they end up costing you."

One warning only, of course.