Last night's finish

[Rich]

Had a weird play in this game.

Ball got knocked out of a visitor's players hands in the direction of the home team's frontcourt. I'm the C and the ball is heading right towards me.

I noticed a home player running right for me. I step back and watch as the player steps on the court with about an inch to spare, leaps out of bounds, and saves it back onto the court where it's possible it was caught in midair by a player that alighted from the backcourt. If so, it was likely a backcourt violation as it appeared the "saving" player had frontcourt status and possessed the ball in the air during the save itself.

That said, I was (1) getting out of the way and (2) forced to get a good look at the player's feet as he was saving the ball (both on the initial step and on the landing).

As this all happened so fast, I was the only one in position to call anything if it was there.

I just couldn't be sure we had all the elements of a violation (mainly I just didn't have a good look at the player streaking that ended up with the ball) and to be quite honest, I wasn't 100% sure that the player alighted from the backcourt. Just a tough, tough call.

The visiting coach asked both of my partners about it -- they said I was straddling the division line when it happened, and the coach was pretty good about it, especially since the home team missed a shot at the other end. But I still have little idea if I got it right or not.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I step back and watch as the player steps on the court with about an inch to spare, leaps out of bounds, and saves it back onto the court where it's possible it was caught in midair by a player that alighted from the backcourt.

The key question I have, Rich, is does save = control?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bainsey

The key question I have, Rich, is does save = control?

The key question I have, bainsey, is did you actually read what Rich wrote?

Rich: "...it appeared the saving player had frontcourt status and possessed the ball in the air during the save itself."

Kinda self-evident, don't ya think?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The key question I have, bainsey, is did you actually read what Rich wrote?

Rich: "...it appeared the saving player had frontcourt status and possessed the ball in the air during the save itself."

Kinda self-evident, don't ya think?

I think bainsey was commenting on the possibility that one could obtain possession while airborne as in the case that Rich presented.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I think bainsey was commenting on the possibility that one could obtain possession while airborne as in the case that Rich presented.

And I think that Rich in the case that he presented already definitively stated that possession was obtained while airborne.

Your point, old man:?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And I think that Rich in the case that he presented already definitively stated that possession was obtained while airborne.

Your point, old man:?

I've forgotten already. Where's my meds?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bainsey

The key question I have, Rich, is does save = control?

Save and COntrol are two separate items. You can have one without the other. In Rich's case, he had both.

[26 Year Gap]

Wonder if there was a game tape, Rich. I know it doesn't help now, but you might be able to see who was where.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Wonder if there was a game tape, Rich. I know it doesn't help now, but you might be able to see who was where.

It would be interesting, but I don't see how I could've done more with it. And with the home team losing on the foul at the horn, I'd rather not send mixed messages by going back for the tape -- they may think I want to look at the foul again and I really don't.

I do wonder if it's something the trail could've picked up since I was mainly trying to not get run over and also make sure the player saving the ball didn't step out of bounds before the save or before the ball was released back onto the court.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Save and COntrol are two separate items. You can have one without the other. In Rich's case, he had both.

That's the thing, Bob. Rich didn't say the saver definitely controlled the ball, but rather, it "appeared" that he did.

As I understand it, A-1 in the frontcourt saves the ball from going out of bounds, and the ball is caught in the air by A-2, who has left the floor in the backcourt. This is where I asked him to commit to whether A-1 controlled it or not.

Big difference to make that call with confident knowledge, right?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bainsey

That's the thing, Bob. Rich didn't say the saver definitely controlled the ball, but rather, it "appeared" that he did.

As I understand it, A-1 in the frontcourt saves the ball from going out of bounds, and the ball is caught in the air by A-2, who has left the floor in the backcourt. This is where I asked him to commit to whether A-1 controlled it or not.

Big difference to make that call with confident knowledge, right?

He caught the ball in the air and passed it back to the court. Definitely controlled.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

That's the thing, Bob. Rich didn't say the saver definitely controlled the ball, but rather, it "appeared" that he did.

And that's all that's needed for the primary official.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And that's all that's needed for the primary official.

Since I'm the one that gets to make that judgment, "appeared" is good enough for me.

Into the home stretch now. My number of games remaining is now in single digits (9).

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

As this all happened so fast, I was the only one in position to call anything if it was there.

I just couldn't be sure we had all the elements of a violation (mainly I just didn't have a good look at the player streaking that ended up with the ball) and to be quite honest, I wasn't 100% sure that the player alighted from the backcourt. Just a tough, tough call.

Under the circumstances when you can't check both, I'd say it's more important to get the OOB call right rather than BC. For one thing, a partner is more likely to be able to help with the BC call.