Last night's finish

Jurassic Referee

bainsey wrote
The key question I have, Rich, is does save = control?

The key question I have, bainsey, is did you actually read what Rich wrote? 🙂

Rich: "...it appeared the saving player had frontcourt status and possessed the ball in the air during the save itself."

Kinda self-evident, don't ya think?

JugglingReferee

Jurassic Referee wrote
The key question I have, bainsey, is did you actually read what Rich wrote? 🙂

Rich: "...it appeared the saving player had frontcourt status and possessed the ball in the air during the save itself."

Kinda self-evident, don't ya think?

I think bainsey was commenting on the possibility that one could obtain possession while airborne as in the case that Rich presented.

Jurassic Referee

JugglingReferee wrote
I think bainsey was commenting on the possibility that one could obtain possession while airborne as in the case that Rich presented.

And I think that Rich in the case that he presented already definitively stated that possession was obtained while airborne.

Your point, old man:? 😀

JugglingReferee

Jurassic Referee wrote
And I think that Rich in the case that he presented already definitively stated that possession was obtained while airborne.

Your point, old man:? 😃

I've forgotten already. 😛 Where's my meds?

grunewar

BadNewsRef wrote
Yeah, a locker room with multiple showers.

where they only do two-man, maybe they don't have HUGE locker rooms for officials with multiple showers...... 😉

bob jenkins

bainsey wrote
The key question I have, Rich, is does save = control?

Save and COntrol are two separate items. You can have one without the other. In Rich's case, he had both.

26 Year Gap

Wonder if there was a game tape, Rich. I know it doesn't help now, but you might be able to see who was where.

Rich

26 Year Gap wrote
Wonder if there was a game tape, Rich. I know it doesn't help now, but you might be able to see who was where.

It would be interesting, but I don't see how I could've done more with it. And with the home team losing on the foul at the horn, I'd rather not send mixed messages by going back for the tape -- they may think I want to look at the foul again and I really don't.

I do wonder if it's something the trail could've picked up since I was mainly trying to not get run over and also make sure the player saving the ball didn't step out of bounds before the save or before the ball was released back onto the court.

BillyMac

grunewar wrote
where they only do two-man, maybe they don't have HUGE locker rooms for officials with multiple showers.

Hey. We're not that backward. Most of our schools offer two kinds of water: cold, and not so cold.

mbyron

RichMSN wrote
As this all happened so fast, I was the only one in position to call anything if it was there.

I just couldn't be sure we had all the elements of a violation (mainly I just didn't have a good look at the player streaking that ended up with the ball) and to be quite honest, I wasn't 100% sure that the player alighted from the backcourt. Just a tough, tough call.

Under the circumstances when you can't check both, I'd say it's more important to get the OOB call right rather than BC. For one thing, a partner is more likely to be able to help with the BC call.

bainsey

bob jenkins wrote
Save and COntrol are two separate items. You can have one without the other. In Rich's case, he had both.

That's the thing, Bob. Rich didn't say the saver definitely controlled the ball, but rather, it "appeared" that he did.

As I understand it, A-1 in the frontcourt saves the ball from going out of bounds, and the ball is caught in the air by A-2, who has left the floor in the backcourt. This is where I asked him to commit to whether A-1 controlled it or not.

Big difference to make that call with confident knowledge, right?

Rich

bainsey wrote
That's the thing, Bob. Rich didn't say the saver definitely controlled the ball, but rather, it "appeared" that he did.

As I understand it, A-1 in the frontcourt saves the ball from going out of bounds, and the ball is caught in the air by A-2, who has left the floor in the backcourt. This is where I asked him to commit to whether A-1 controlled it or not.

Big difference to make that call with confident knowledge, right?

He caught the ball in the air and passed it back to the court. Definitely controlled.

Adam

bainsey wrote
That's the thing, Bob. Rich didn't say the saver definitely controlled the ball, but rather, it "appeared" that he did.

And that's all that's needed for the primary official.

Rich

Snaqwells wrote
And that's all that's needed for the primary official.

Since I'm the one that gets to make that judgment, "appeared" is good enough for me.

Into the home stretch now. My number of games remaining is now in single digits (9).