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I knew something was bugging me about this one. No doubt about the double call, one of the easiest I've had to make. But something was nagging me.
POI (A1's bucket was good) B gets ball for throw in and can run endline. Worked this game with a 3rd year Association ref (I am not). We conferenced to make sure we agreed shot had been released before double foul call. He seemed a lil unsure what to do, so I asked if he felt AP was correct and he agreed. I will be sure to get with him and his book, find the rule and any case that applies so we can both get it right next time. |
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For some reason, some officials think of the AP and POI as two separate things. Some don't realize that the AP is simply one of the ways we resume with the POI.
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Maybe A Few Dog Years ???
For old timers like me, it's because we used to go to the arrow, or toss a jump ball, for double fouls. The point of interruption has only been around for a few years.
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glad to hear that you talked w/ your partner about whether the shot was released prior to the double foul...
in my experience, the shot is almost always (99.5%) released AFTER the screen has taken place...the typical timeline is: screen, catch, shot...although it may happen, it is very unusual to have catch, shot, screen... |
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FWIW, I had something like this last month, only it was on a free throw.
The same rules apply. A-1 released his shot, A-2 and B-2 commit a double foul ("quit it!" one of them yells), basket is good. Foul on A-2, foul on B-2, basket is good, B's ball for an end-line throw in. Let's play. |
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It is when the point of interruption can not be determined that we go with the AP. They are mutually exclusive.
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![]() I'm looking at 4-36 right in front of me. The point of interruption is a method used to resume play. It'll either be resumed with: 1. Throw to team in control 2. Free throw or throw-in if play was stopped during such activity or if a team will be entitled to such activity. 3. Alternating possesion when a stopping occurs and there is no team control and there's no infraction, goal, or end of period/quarter. So how is the AP not a POI? Unless you're trying to say that not all AP throw-ins are a result of having to use the POI?
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What I'm saying is...
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It is semantics. We are splitting hairs. If you want to think of AP as the POI, I can live with it, not that that matters to you. ![]()
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You're thinking of the POI in terms of what action was occurring when play was stopped. 4-36 tells us that the POI is just the method in which we'll resume play based on what was happening when play was stopped.
Simple semantics. Doesn't matter as long as we're getting the play correct.
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I agree
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This is misleading. You seem to be suggesting that the POI always involves lack of team control, which is false.
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No I don't mean that
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