Louisiana Officials Possible Strike?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I know I would not put up with that.......

If you lived where I live you would put up with it or quit. I do not wish to quit.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If you lived where I live you would put up with it or quit. I do not wish to quit.

I don't live where you do and I also work more than HS ball. Doubt seriously I would have to quit.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I don't live where you do and I also work more than HS ball. Doubt seriously I would have to quit.

Peace

Gee, Rut, everybody knows you don't live here. And everybody knows you work more than HS ball. But everybody except you, apparently, knows that those were the two things we were talking about. Everybody also knows that you have a habit of ducking things when you have no suitable answer.

I'll spell it out.

If you did live here, when it comes to high school ball, you would accept the current terms or quit.

OR?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Gee, Rut, everybody knows you don't live here. And everybody knows you work more than HS ball. But everybody except you, apparently, knows that those were the two things we were talking about. Everybody also knows that you have a habit of ducking things when you have no suitable answer.

Where I live is irrelevant to this discussion. I would not tolerate that anywhere. ANYWHERE!!!!

Originally Posted by just another ref

I'll spell it out.

If you did live here, when it comes to high school ball, you would accept the current terms or quit.

OR?

You are still trying to deflect issue I see. This is not about me where I live. This is about the pay that you accept is unacceptable. And to go and work those games in their place or to advocate such a thing is why you are getting paid less than many officials around the country.

Peace

[just another ref]

And again, no answer.

If you were in my place, what, specifically, would you do?

[Berkut]

Originally Posted by just another ref

And again, no answer.

If you were in my place, what, specifically, would you do?

Move.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

And again, no answer.

If you were in my place, what, specifically, would you do?

I did not realize you needed an answer to a silly question.

I would not do what you are doing. I would not take games to help the schools out when another association is making a stand for all of us. I would not talk to a principal and undermine the position of getting higher pay. I would not take games at that rate and act like I do not have a choice (which you always have a choice). And most of all I would not work in that system and sit back and do nothing. And I certainly would not be talking about what others think when there has been no vote to find out what the other associations actually. About the only thing I would be doing that you will do is take the raise when it comes to me.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not realize you needed an answer to a silly question.

I would not do what you are doing. I would not take games to help the schools out when another association is making a stand for all of us. I would not talk to a principal and undermine the position of getting higher pay. I would not take games at that rate and act like I do not have a choice (which you always have a choice). And most of all I would not work in that system and sit back and do nothing. And I certainly would not be talking about what others think when there has been no vote to find out what the other associations actually. About the only thing I would be doing that you will do is take the raise when it comes to me.

Peace

Silly statements provoke silly questions. You say you would not do what I do. I said you would do it or quit. You said you wouldn't quit. I said, what would you do then? And you cleared it up nicely by giving this solution. Very helpful.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would not do what you are doing. I would not take games to help the schools out when another association is making a stand for all of us. I would not talk to a principal and undermine the position of getting higher pay. I would not take games at that rate and act like I do not have a choice (which you always have a choice). And most of all I would not work in that system and sit back and do nothing.

Well said. Doing nothing gets you nothing.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Gee, Rut, everybody knows you don't live here. And everybody knows you work more than HS ball. But everybody except you, apparently, knows that those were the two things we were talking about. Everybody also knows that you have a habit of ducking things when you have no suitable answer.

I'll spell it out.

If you did live here, when it comes to high school ball, you would accept the current terms or quit.

OR?

Or you can do something about it like the guys who refused games and put their azzes on the line so that you could get a pay raise next year. Instead of backing them, you back-stabbed them.

Sorry, JAR, but there it is.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Or you can do something about it like the guys who refused games and put their azzes on the line so that you could get a pay raise next year. Instead of backing them, you back-stabbed them.

Sorry, JAR, but there it is.

Like I said, I would've put my bags away for the year before I would've stepped in and worked other association's games.

I don't have that system here. I get offered games, I get a contract to sign, and I can choose whether to accept games or not accept games. One factor for me is the pay and whether those schools pay travel. For example, in baseball I only work 4 conferences because the games start at 4:45PM or 5PM. And I wouldn't drive more than 50 miles or so from Madison if the conference didn't pay for travel.

So all this is hypothetical for me, but I have worked in an association system before and I can't imagine such a scenario happening and not have the chance to vote on whether the association wants to join the others. You mean *nobody* in your group asked that question? Do you guys not meet?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Like I said, I would've put my bags away for the year before I would've stepped in and worked other association's games.

So all this is hypothetical for me, but I have worked in an association system before and I can't imagine such a scenario happening and not have the chance to vote on whether the association wants to join the others. You mean *nobody* in your group asked that question? Do you guys not meet?

Part of the agreement that we have with all of our neighboring associations is that we will never send officials into each other's area without the approval of that area's association. The last thing that any of us want is to get into official vs. official warfare. Our local constitution also is specifically written so that the members make ALL major decisions by majority vote. And with e-mail, etc., you can have a vote immediately on just about anything.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Part of the agreement that we have with all of our neighboring associations is that we will never send officials into each other's area without the approval of that area's association.

Once upon a time, in the Land of Steady Habits, Connecticut was a 98% IAABO state. The only exception was a very small non-IAABO association that was a vestige of what used to be an association that only worked girls games, before local Connecticut IAABO boards started working girls games about thirty years ago.

Over the years, more and more schools wanted their girls games worked by the same board (IAABO) that worked their boys games, in most cases to make the paperwork more convenient for athletic directors. As IAABO, now both boys and girls, got larger, the "girls" association got smaller. Near the end, the "girls" association was only covering less than a dozen schools.

That's when it started getting nasty. If a coach, or athletic director, that used the "girls" officials didn't like the way that their girls games were being called, they switched over to IAABO. If a coach, or athletic director, that used the IAABO officials didn't like the way that their girls games were being called, they switched over to the "girls" association. In a few cases, when athletic directors, or coaches, really got pissed, they used the "girls" officials to work their boys games. This went on for several years.

Eventually, the "girls" association only had about two dozen officials, and was only covering about a half dozen schools, getting, for the most part, only girls games. Finally about four years ago, the "girls" association offered to merge with our local IAABO board. Some of our guys didn't want to merge, but wanted to exterminate the other association. However, reasonable minds took over, and now we're all just one big happy family, and we're going to live happily ever after. Don't you just love monopolies?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jurassic referee

or you can do something about it like the guys who refused games and put their azzes on the line so that you could get a pay raise next year. Instead of backing them, you back-stabbed them.

Sorry, jar, but there it is.

+1

[LouisianaDave]

The attitudes of JAR is the reason that Louisiana is so cheaply paid. I work for the Baton Rouge association and we held a special meeting and the members voted to be unavailable. All this talk of contracts is irrelevant. The way the association works, the principals enter into an agreement with an officials association to use their officials. Then the association must use the an assignor paid for and hired by the principals. On Feb 1, all except for 3 officials were unavailable to work and therefore games had to be postponed. As independent contractors we have the right to be available or unavailable.

As JAR state principals voted down the pay raise due to the threat of a strike. The principals figured there wasnt enough unity amongst officials to actually follow through on the walkout, but when the games got postponed the officials showed the principals there are more guys willing to stay home(me) than guys who were working (JAR). Even though 4 associations sat that is a misleading quote. There were 4 association who were done for the season. For one Tuesday night the officials of the following cities sat Shreveport, Monroe, Hammond, Alexandria, Baton Rouge, Thibidoux and a majority of New Orleans. Lafayette didnt vote and worked and Lake Charles worked.

So by uniting as one, we showed the principals we were a force to be reckoned with. Even though I dont make a lot of money officiating HS, there are some really good officials in this state and we have quite a few collegiate refs out there.