Yikes

[Butterfly182310]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

What do you do when a partner kicks a call? Not misses a call or sees it differently, if by rule he gets it wrong...
...But as a partner in this or any situation where I know my partner gets the call wrong by the book, but won't even discuss changing it: what do you do?

This is one issue where knowing who the "R" is on the game becomes important. We certainly don't want to have a protracted on-court discussion, but we also want to get the call correct. If you're the "R", it's your responsibility to "hear" your partner's interpretation and make a decision. If you're not the "R", it's your responsibility to state your interpretation as accurately and concisely as possible, then stand back and allow the "R" to make, and sell, his/her decision. In either case, it's "game on" and don't look back till you get into the locker room.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Butterfly182310

This is one issue where knowing who the "R" is on the game becomes important. We certainly don't want to have a protracted on-court discussion, but we also want to get the call correct. If you're the "R", it's your responsibility to "hear" your partner's interpretation and make a decision. If you're not the "R", it's your responsibility to state your interpretation as accurately and concisely as possible, then stand back and allow the "R" to make, and sell, his/her decision. In either case, it's "game on" and don't look back till you get into the locker room.

Where in the book is the R given permission to overrule a called violation?

[Butterfly182310]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Where in the book is the R given permission to overrule a called violation?

Nowhere in the rule book is anyone given permission to overrule a partners' call, but go back to the original scenario of this discussion thread. Both officials made a call. One verbally to everyone to continue playing, no violation had occurred. One whistling a violation. Two officials with obviously two different interpretations, and everyone knows it. A discussion between the officials has to take place. The "R", as crew chief, has the tie breaking responsibility resting on his/her shoulders. Regardless which way it goes, one of the calls is being "overruled". In this case, the calling official overruled the "play on" official.

If only one official makes a call, and the other official knows it's incorrect, the most the other official can do, regardless who is "R" or "U", is bring the error to the calling official's attention, and allow him/her to correct the call if they choose to do so. That is not the case in the context of this discussion. Someone has to be in charge when there are obvious conflicting interpretations between officials.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Butterfly182310

One verbally to everyone to continue playing, no violation had occurred. One whistling a violation. Two officials with obviously two different interpretations, and everyone knows it. A discussion between the officials has to take place. The "R", as crew chief, has the tie breaking responsibility resting on his/her shoulders. Regardless which way it goes, one of the calls is being "overruled". In this case, the calling official overruled the "play on" official.

"Play on" is not a call. No matter how wrong it may be, the whistle wins every time in this "tie."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

"Play on" is not a call. No matter how wrong it may be, the whistle wins every time in this "tie."

Yep.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Butterfly182310

Nowhere in the rule book is anyone given permission to overrule a partners' call, but go back to the original scenario of this discussion thread. Both officials made a call. One verbally to everyone to continue playing, no violation had occurred. One whistling a violation. Two officials with obviously two different interpretations, and everyone knows it. A discussion between the officials has to take place. The "R", as crew chief, has the tie breaking responsibility resting on his/her shoulders. Regardless which way it goes, one of the calls is being "overruled". In this case, the calling official overruled the "play on" official.

Show me. Reading 2-5, I don't see anything about tie-breaking authority; unless there is a goal involved.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Butterfly182310

This is one issue where knowing who the "R" is on the game becomes important. We certainly don't want to have a protracted on-court discussion, but we also want to get the call correct. If you're the "R", it's your responsibility to "hear" your partner's interpretation and make a decision. If you're not the "R", it's your responsibility to state your interpretation as accurately and concisely as possible, then stand back and allow the "R" to make, and sell, his/her decision. In either case, it's "game on" and don't look back till you get into the locker room.

Oh my.......

That recommendation of yours goes directly against the rules. The R has never had the power to set aside a call made by another official.

Time to put in some serious rulebook reading time methinks.