Yikes

[BktBallRef]

The horn sounds on every shot clock I've ever dealt with or seen in NCAA and NBA games when clock displays zero, not .999 seconds later.

Also, the shot must be released before the horn, not hit the rim before the horn. THen, the shot must hit the rim. Unless FEEBLE has some weird shot clock rules.

[RookieDude]

We were having a few brown pops last night, after the games, and one of my buddies said that he had a shot clock "issue".

A1 with an attempt...while the try was in flight, the shot clock horn went off...then the ball lodged between the rim and the backboard.

He simply went with Possession Arrow, which was Team A's, and away they went. (No shot clock violation, because the ball hit the rim when it lodged)

Everyone at our table agreed with that call.

Then he had a scenario that was a split decision...

A1 goes up for a try...B1 fouls A1 while A1 is airborne...the attempt goes in.
The official calls a foul on B1 and counts the basket. After the basket goes...A1 and B1 shove each other...the official calls a double T on A1 and B1.

Watta ya got?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

We were having a few brown pops last night, after the games, and one of my buddies said that he had a shot clock "issue".

A1 with an attempt...while the try was in flight, the shot clock horn went off...then the ball lodged between the rim and the backboard.

He simply went with Possession Arrow, which was Team A's, and away they went. (No shot clock violation, because the ball hit the rim when it lodged)

Everyone at our table agreed with that call.

Then he had a scenario that was a split decision...

A1 goes up for a try...B1 fouls A1 while A1 is airborne...the attempt goes in.
The official calls a foul on B1 and counts the basket. After the basket goes...A1 and B1 shove each other...the official calls a double T on A1 and B1.

Watta ya got?

Double T, POI which will be A1's free throw with the players lined up. How was this a split decision?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Double Class A T, POI which will be A1's free throw with the players lined up. How was this a split decision?

Just added something that you already knew but others might not....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Just added something that you already knew but others might not....

College rules?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

College rules?

I know that RookieDude doesn't do FIBA and his state doesn't use a shot clock in high school games so I thought it had to be college rules.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I know that RookieDude doesn't do FIBA and his state doesn't use a shot clock in high school games so I thought it had to be college rules.

Woddy...here in Washington State, the girls side (which I have never officiated) has had a 30 second shot clock for quite some time. (NFHS)

The boys side got a 35 second shot clock last year. Even though I did some small college ball years ago...I still feel like I could do a better job with shot clock management in the H.S. game.

[NoFussRef]

I think in FIBA if your partner kicks a call you then get to kick him.

If a player brings a correctable kicked call to your attention I think he is then awarded two kicks and the ball.

If a coach brings a kicked call to your attention after the ball has become live then I believe the coach can only kick himself, his Assistant coach, or his stuttering captain. (coaches choice as per 10.99.556.7.62 articles 11-26)

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Double T, POI which will be A1's free throw with the players lined up. How was this a split decision?

And what does it have to do with this thread and the original post?

[APG]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

We were having a few brown pops last night, after the games, and one of my buddies said that he had a shot clock "issue".

A1 with an attempt...while the try was in flight, the shot clock horn went off...then the ball lodged between the rim and the backboard.

He simply went with Possession Arrow, which was Team A's, and away they went. (No shot clock violation, because the ball hit the rim when it lodged)

Everyone at our table agreed with that call.

Then he had a scenario that was a split decision...

A1 goes up for a try...B1 fouls A1 while A1 is airborne...the attempt goes in.
The official calls a foul on B1 and counts the basket. After the basket goes...A1 and B1 shove each other...the official calls a double T on A1 and B1.

Watta ya got?

This is an easy one RD. All double fouls go to the point of interruption. In this case, the POI will be the one free throw for A1 with players lining up in the lane.

How was this a split decision? What was the opposing argument?

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

What was the opposing argument?

The opposing argument, without much thought I might add, was that the lane would be cleared and shoot the FT...then AP for the T.

POI was then discussed.

[Adam]

He's saying the kid released the shot after the clock hit zero but before the horn. This happens all the time at the end of games (on clocks without tenths), why wouldn't it be the case for the occasional shot clock?

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

The horn sounds on every shot clock I've ever dealt with or seen in NCAA and NBA games when clock displays zero, not .999 seconds later.

Also, the shot must be released before the horn, not hit the rim before the horn. THen, the shot must hit the rim. Unless FEEBLE has some weird shot clock rules.

FIBA rules are (almost) exactly the same. And the horn should sound when the clock displays 0.

The "almost" is because, if the ball lodges between the backboard and the basket after the horn has sounded, it is a shot clock violation. That's the only difference.

Ciao

[Adam]

Originally Posted by eg-italy

FIBA rules are (almost) exactly the same. And the horn should sound when the clock displays 0.

The "almost" is because, if the ball lodges between the backboard and the basket after the horn has sounded, it is a shot clock violation. That's the only difference.

Ciao

So your shot clocks are always the same? Meaning when they say "1," it's actually between 0.0000001 and 1? There aren't any models for which "1" means between 1 and 1.99999999?

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

So your shot clocks are always the same? Meaning when they say "1," it's actually between 0.0000001 and 1? There aren't any models for which "1" means between 1 and 1.99999999?

All that I have seen do this way: the horn sound when they change from 1 to 0.

Ciao