How to handle an assistant coach.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

MTD, Jr., and I had a girls' Jr. H.S. doubleheader (7th grade game followed by the 8th grade game) last night.

Late in the third quarter V1 fouled H1 in the act of shooting, and MTD, Jr., made the call from the T. He reported the foul while I observed the players and made the switch from old L to new T. Before we could start shooting the free throws, V-HC moved out of her coaching box to a spot in front of the Table and started complaining to me about the officaiting (so what else is new, ). I politely told her that she had to return to her coaching box and then moved into my T position for the free throws. Immediately her assistant coach yelled: "She is in her coaching box." I gave MTD, Jr., the stop sign and moved toward the division line and told V-HC that we did not want to hear anymore from her assistant coach. V-HC immediately replied: "That was me talking." To which I replied: "Coach, I know it was your assistant coach because she referred to you in the third person."

After the game, the H-AD, who is also the 8th grade English teacher, runs the clock for both games, came into the dressing room with water and told us that he loved my reference to the assistant coach talking about the head coach in the third person.

MTD, Sr.

Doesn't the calling official stay at the table? Or do you guys do it differently locally?

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Doesn't the calling official stay at the table? Or do you guys do it differently locally?

Not when you're using MOMM (Modified Old Man mechanics) which is a technique allowed when you get AARP membership

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Doesn't the calling official stay at the table? Or do you guys do it differently locally?

We switched on a shooting foul.

MTD, Sr.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Doesn't the calling official stay at the table? Or do you guys do it differently locally?

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

We switched on a shooting foul.

MTD, Sr.

That's ZM point, though asked incorrectly. 2-man mechanics the calling official on shooting fouls should be the trail on the free throws.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

We switched on a shooting foul.

MTD, Sr.

Again, this is not NFHS mechanics. If the T calls a shooting foul, the T stays the trail tableside. This was changed last season. I guess the question is whether your state or association(s) went along with this change.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Again, this is not NFHS mechanics. If the T calls a shooting foul, the T stays the trail tableside. This was changed last season. I guess the question is whether your state or association(s) went along with this change.

IAABO has not made this change. I don't know if Ohio is an IAABO state or not.

[Judtech]

Too funny, I tried "Something" like that last nite. As we played (and beat the 3rd ranked team in the sate I might add) my wife was losing her voice. She was yelling for a TO but the official couldn't hear her. Since I actually do a GREAT imitation of her thick southern accent, I yelled for a TO and actually got the officials attention. He granted the TO then realized it was I who he heard ask for the TO and smiled. He came over for the "first horn" signal and told me my imitation was spot on!

[mj]

I talked to a fellow official this weekend. During a recent contest featuring 2 ranked teams, he and his partner were so tired of the coaches in their ear after each shooting foul, they went back to the old mechanic of going opposite the table.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mj

I talked to a fellow official this weekend. During a recent contest featuring 2 ranked teams, he and his partner were so tired of the coaches in their ear after each shooting foul, they went back to the old mechanic of going opposite the table.

Too bad they didn't just address the behavior rather than run from it.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by mj

I talked to a fellow official this weekend. During a recent contest featuring 2 ranked teams, he and his partner were so tired of the coaches in their ear after each shooting foul, they went back to the old mechanic of going opposite the table.

Heh. Last night we had one of the worst games I've had in a long time. 15 fouls in the first quarter, with the home team picking up their 10th with a minute left in the first quarter. In the end, I couldn't tell you what the losing coach was saying because I stopped paying any attention to him.

Personally, I prefer being across during free throws, but it's not something I really care about one way or the other.

[chymechowder]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Too funny, I tried "Something" like that last nite. As we played (and beat the 3rd ranked team in the sate I might add) my wife was losing her voice. She was yelling for a TO but the official couldn't hear her. Since I actually do a GREAT imitation of her thick southern accent, I yelled for a TO and actually got the officials attention. He granted the TO then realized it was I who he heard ask for the TO and smiled. He came over for the "first horn" signal and told me my imitation was spot on!

haha, excellent.

but be careful--impersonating's a slippery slope. you don't want to be sitting on the bench for a playoff game looking like this:

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

IAABO has not made this change. I don't know if Ohio is an IAABO state or not.

Ohio is not an "IAABO state," though we have boards here. OHSAA uses approved NFHS mechanics.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Ohio is not an "IAABO state," though we have boards here. OHSAA uses approved NFHS mechanics.

1) As MByron correctly stated, Ohio is not an IAABO state. There is one IAABO Board in Ohio and I am a member of it.

2) NFHS Mechanics state that the calling official should stay Table Side in this scenario. But that does not prevent the officials from switching if it is a good idea to keep the calling official away from the coaches of a particular team. Having said that, I think that it was a stupid mechanic adopted by Mary Struckhoff because she thinks that high school basketball is the same as NCAA Division I and WNBA basketball where the Head Coaches are familiar with the officials that officiate their games and can be expected to conduct themselves in a professional manner 99.999% of the time; this cannot be said for the vast majority of Jr. H.S and H.S. Head Coaches. And in our game if I had been made the call from the T, we still would have switched.

3) And there has always been a reason for switching after fouls: The idea of switching is to keep the officials from seeing the teams in the same end of the court, i.e., one official always seeing Team A on offense and Team B on defense and vice versa. Mary Struckhoff is clueless on that point among others in my opinion.

4) MByron is correct when he states that the OhioHSAA 'uses' NFHS Mechanics. But the OhioHSAA cannot really make that claim, because even though the Chairman of the NFHS Basketball Rules Committee is an Assistant Commissioner of the OhioHSAA, the OhioHSAA did not adopt the Team Control Foul signal because it is, according to the OhioHSAA confusing to the players, coaches, scorers, and fans. So it can be said that the OhioHSAA is not a 100% believer in using NFHS Mechanics.

MTD, Sr.

[Kingsman1288]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

2) NFHS Mechanics state that the calling official should stay Table Side in this scenario. But that does not prevent the officials from switching if it is a good idea to keep the calling official away from the coaches of a particular team. Having said that, I think that it was a stupid mechanic adopted by Mary Struckhoff because she thinks that high school basketball is the same as NCAA Division I and WNBA basketball where the Head Coaches are familiar with the officials that officiate their games and can be expected to conduct themselves in a professional manner 99.999% of the time; this cannot be said for the vast majority of Jr. H.S and H.S. Head Coaches.

I have to disagree on this point. When the change first came down, I and many others in my association were not happy about it at all. However after two seasons working with this mechanic, I have found that MOST coaches are much more willing to have a reasonable conversation with officials when we are table side than opposite table. There are always a few bad apples out there, but for the most part I feel that the change has been positive. Although maybe that has more to do with us being laid back Californians than anything else

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

4) MByron is correct when he states that the OhioHSAA 'uses' NFHS Mechanics. But the OhioHSAA cannot really make that claim, because even though the Chairman of the NFHS Basketball Rules Committee is an Assistant Commissioner of the OhioHSAA, the OhioHSAA did not adopt the Team Control Foul signal because it is, according to the OhioHSAA confusing to the players, coaches, scorers, and fans. So it can be said that the OhioHSAA is not a 100% believer in using NFHS Mechanics.

MTD, Sr.

And using the PC signal for team control fouls still confuses the coaches. Just Saturday I called a foul in the key on A and gave the PC signal like a good boy and got an earful from the coach on how I could call a foul when the dribbler was on the other side of the court, five feet from my partner. I don't think he ever understood it wasn't on the dribbler.