Pass to himself

frozenrope22 · #1 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 23, 2011, 02:57pm

I saw this play this weekend and thought it was a violation but it wasn't called. Player at top of the key shoots a high arching shot. The ball never touches the rim or net(classic air ball). Same player follows his shot catches the ball in the air, comes down then shoots it again and scores. Parents thought it was a pass to himself but neither coaches nor referees seemed concerned. Was this correct no call?

just another ref · #2 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 23, 2011, 03:05pm

When the player releases the ball on a try, (shot) this ends both team and player control. The shooter has the same right to retrieve the ball as any other player, whether it touches anything or not.

Butterfly182310 · #3 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 23, 2011, 03:07pm

Correct "no call". Team control ended as soon as the ball was released on a "try" for goal. No team control means it's anybody's ball.

grunewar · #4 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 23, 2011, 03:12pm

The officials apparently knew the rule. Kudos to the coaches for possibly knowing the rule too. Below is the citation from the Case Book.

4.44 SITUATION B: A1 attempts a try after ending the dribble. The try does not
touch the backboard, the rim or any other player. A1 runs and is able to catch the ball before it strikes the floor. Is this traveling? RULING: No. When A1 recovered his/her own try, A1 could either dribble, pass or try again. There was no team control after the ball was released on a try.

BktBallRef · #5 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 23, 2011, 03:21pm

Finally, there's no such thing as a "pass to himself."

By definition, a pass is movement of the ball caused by a player who throws, bats or rolls the ball to another player.

BillyMac · #6 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 23, 2011, 04:01pm

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Originally Posted by frozenrope22

Player at top of the key shoots a high arching shot. The ball never touches the rim or net (classic air ball). Same player follows his shot catches the ball in the air, comes down then shoots it again and scores.

Mythbusters.

The shooter can retrieve his or her own airball, if the referee considers it to be a shot attempt. The release ends team control. It is not a violation for that player to start another dribble at that point.

frozenrope22 · #7 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 23, 2011, 05:24pm

Thanks for the information. It ill be interesting to see how the parents react to this information when I see them again.

Adam · #8 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 23, 2011, 05:35pm

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Originally Posted by frozenrope22

Thanks for the information. It ill be interesting to see how the parents react to this information when I see them again.

Here's a hint. Don't bother, they won't believe you anyway.

Mark Padgett · #9 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 23, 2011, 05:59pm

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Originally Posted by frozenrope22

Thanks for the information. It ill be interesting to see how the parents react to this information when I see them again.

Do you also want to explain "over the back" and "reaching"?

grunewar · #10 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 23, 2011, 06:37pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Do you also want to explain "over the back" and "reaching"?

"Moving screen! Moving screen! C'mon ref, you gotta get that one!"

cmhjordan23 · #11 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 23, 2011, 10:47pm

Isn't this rule different in the NCAA or NBA. I know it's different in one of them.

Raymond · #12 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 23, 2011, 10:53pm

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Originally Posted by cmhjordan23

Isn't this rule different in the NCAA or NBA. I know it's different in one of them.

Retrieving one's own ariball is a violation in the NBA.

johnsonboys03 · #13 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 23, 2011, 10:55pm

I had a player get upset with me for calling a violation when he passed the ball off the glass to himself for a dunk. It was very obvious it was a pass not a missed shot. I thought for sure I got it right but not one hundred percent.

APG · #14 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 23, 2011, 11:08pm

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Originally Posted by johnsonboys03

I had a player get upset with me for calling a violation when he passed the ball off the glass to himself for a dunk. It was very obvious it was a pass not a missed shot. I thought for sure I got it right but not one hundred percent.

Play on...I'm not a mind reader. If a player throws it off the glass 99.9 percent of officials will judge it to be a try. I'm not going to be in that .1 percent. Plus I believe there's a case book play that says it it legal to throw the ball off of one's equipment and retrieve the ball. Someone will come along and post it I'm sure.

Also, by rule and definition, a player can not pass the ball to himself. It is impossible.

johnsonboys03 · #15 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 23, 2011, 11:37pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Play on...I'm not a mind reader. If a player throws it off the glass 99.9 percent of officials will judge it to be a try. I'm not going to be in that .1 percent. Plus I believe there's a case book play that says it it legal to throw the ball off of one's equipment and retrieve the ball. Someone will come along and post it I'm sure.

Also, by rule and definition, a player can not pass the ball to himself. It is impossible.

What if a player where stuck in a trap situation or just a situation where he or she lost her dribble and he or she throw it over the heads of the defender and then goes and retrieves it on the other side?
what would be the difference?

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