Technical foul Overtime

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Kid has a right to be unhappy. S/he needs to learn to express it appropriately.

Bob I do agree with you about the right and that they need to express it differently but I do not think that this is a warranted T. However i quick 5 second chat once things calm down a bit will help and teach them more than a T here will.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by deecee

Bob I do agree with you about the right and that they need to express it differently but I do not think that this is a warranted T.

Ah! So you were there?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Ah! So you were there?

No I wasn't I was going by the OP and 1 assumption based on years of playing, coaching and officiating. Albeit my assumption does have margin for error but how the question was posed and from past experiences I came to my assumption that it was player frustration that they lost their 2 point lead at the buzzer. If its for an unsporting act then I am wrong in my assumption.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by deecee

No I wasn't I was going by the OP and 1 assumption based on years of playing, coaching and officiating. Albeit my assumption does have margin for error but how the question was posed and from past experiences I came to my assumption that it was player frustration that they lost their 2 point lead at the buzzer. If its for an unsporting act then I am wrong in my assumption.

I agree that it's possible that the T wasn't warranted. But, it's at least equally likely that it was.

The questions to ask are those that Mark D. asked in post #3, and until they are answered I would give the benefit of the doubt to the official.

Besides, the question was about "what to do" not "whether to issue the T."

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by deecee

No I wasn't I was going by the OP and 1 assumption based on years of playing, coaching and officiating. Albeit my assumption does have margin for error but how the question was posed and from past experiences I came to my assumption that it was player frustration that they lost their 2 point lead at the buzzer. If its for an unsporting act then I am wrong in my assumption.

The questions I read were:

When do you shoot the Free Throws?
Are they part of the 4th quarter?
Or does OT begin with shooting the Free throws?
Is there a jump Ball?

[deecee]

I agree with whats been said and I didn't mean to crap on the officials decision, i believe the OP's questions were answered and I didn't intend on my opinion of the call to stir up such a discussion.

shoot em in OT and the T determines who starts with the ball and the possession arrow.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Ah! So you were there?

so maybe he could tell us just how he screwed up the administration.

[tref]

Originally Posted by deecee

Bob I do agree with you about the right and that they need to express it differently but I do not think that this is a warranted T. However i quick 5 second chat once things calm down a bit will help and teach them more than a T here will.

Coaches teach... officials enforce rules.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by tref

Coaches teach... officials enforce rules.

Even I know THAT!!! An official should call the fouls and let the coach teach them how NOT to foul

[deecee]

Originally Posted by tref

Coaches teach... officials enforce rules.

talk about a more asinine and generic comment if ever. if you really think that this is an exclusive philosophy to the game and that only the coach's teach then you either don't know whats going on or simply want to make a generic statement that has very little weight.

I would say in a majority of games i either teach coaches or players a thing or on the rare occasion 2 when it comes to the rules. there are many games where coaches and players teach me things. the whole game is one cycle of inefficiencies where each group (coaches, players and officials) are trying to improve on past performances. To state "coaches teach...officals enforce rules" is a simple near sighted approach to officiating that i would suggest you re-evaluate.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by deecee

talk about a more asinine and generic comment if ever. if you really think that this is an exclusive philosophy to the game and that only the coach's teach then you either don't know whats going on or simply want to make a generic statement that has very little weight.

I would say in a majority of games i either teach coaches or players a thing or on the rare occasion 2 when it comes to the rules. there are many games where coaches and players teach me things. the whole game is one cycle of inefficiencies where each group (coaches, players and officials) are trying to improve on past performances. To state "coaches teach...officals enforce rules" is a simple near sighted approach to officiating that i would suggest you re-evaluate.

talk about a more asinine and generic comment if ever...one that has very little weight

It's not your job to hold a rules clinic; just call the damn game.

I can believe though that there sureashell are many games where the coaches and players teach you things.

[tref]

Originally Posted by deecee

there are many games where coaches and players teach me things.

Really?? And you actually typed that out

Originally Posted by deecee

To state "coaches teach...officals enforce rules" is a simple near sighted approach to officiating that i would suggest you re-evaluate.

Ummm thanks but no thanks...
My bosses prefer that I enforce the rules & let the coaches teach their own players how to play within the rules.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

Bob I do agree with you about the right and that they need to express it differently but I do not think that this is a warranted T. However i quick 5 second chat once things calm down a bit will help and teach them more than a T here will.

Oh, I don't know. A T is a pretty teachable moment, too.

I don't know whether I'd have called it or not, but I'm certainly not going to sh1t on an official who decided it was worthy of a T.