Technical foul Overtime

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

What are the NCAA and NFHS rulings?

A1 scores a basket just as time expires to tie the game. The Ball travels through the basket and B1 grabs the ball and SLAMS it to the ground. B1 is assessed a Technical foul. When do you shoot the Free Throws? Are they part of the 4th quarter? Or does OT begin with shooting the Free throws? Is there a jump Ball?

Zooch, the 4th qtr. ended when the horn sounded. The score is tied, so OT is required.

The T came after the horn, so the OT is started with the FTs and A gets the ball for the throw-in. No jump ball.

[Zoochy]

This play did happen, but not in my game. I am guessing the ball bounced really high. Even I asked the question, could the Technical been overlooked. I did find the NFHS case play. Since the people involved did not believe my ruling, I am using this site as a vehicle for my support.
Also, I am would like to know if NCAA, men or women, have a different ruling?

[deecee]

this sounds like a bad T. Kid is unhappy that their defense failed, no harm or intent meant.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

This play did happen, but not in my game. I am guessing the ball bounced really high. Even I asked the question, could the Technical been overlooked. I did find the NFHS case play. Since the people involved did not believe my ruling, I am using this site as a vehicle for my support.
Also, I am would like to know if NCAA, men or women, have a different ruling?

This site is "more believable" than the case book?

In NCAA, the T is still shot as part of the OT. In NCAAW, we would then go to the POI, which is the jump ball to resume the OT.

Originally Posted by deecee

this sounds like a bad T. Kid is unhappy that their defense failed, no harm or intent meant.

Kid has a right to be unhappy. S/he needs to learn to express it appropriately.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Kid has a right to be unhappy. S/he needs to learn to express it appropriately.

Bob I do agree with you about the right and that they need to express it differently but I do not think that this is a warranted T. However i quick 5 second chat once things calm down a bit will help and teach them more than a T here will.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by deecee

Bob I do agree with you about the right and that they need to express it differently but I do not think that this is a warranted T.

Ah! So you were there?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Ah! So you were there?

No I wasn't I was going by the OP and 1 assumption based on years of playing, coaching and officiating. Albeit my assumption does have margin for error but how the question was posed and from past experiences I came to my assumption that it was player frustration that they lost their 2 point lead at the buzzer. If its for an unsporting act then I am wrong in my assumption.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Ah! So you were there?

so maybe he could tell us just how he screwed up the administration.

[tref]

Originally Posted by deecee

Bob I do agree with you about the right and that they need to express it differently but I do not think that this is a warranted T. However i quick 5 second chat once things calm down a bit will help and teach them more than a T here will.

Coaches teach... officials enforce rules.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by tref

Coaches teach... officials enforce rules.

Even I know THAT!!! An official should call the fouls and let the coach teach them how NOT to foul

[deecee]

Originally Posted by tref

Coaches teach... officials enforce rules.

talk about a more asinine and generic comment if ever. if you really think that this is an exclusive philosophy to the game and that only the coach's teach then you either don't know whats going on or simply want to make a generic statement that has very little weight.

I would say in a majority of games i either teach coaches or players a thing or on the rare occasion 2 when it comes to the rules. there are many games where coaches and players teach me things. the whole game is one cycle of inefficiencies where each group (coaches, players and officials) are trying to improve on past performances. To state "coaches teach...officals enforce rules" is a simple near sighted approach to officiating that i would suggest you re-evaluate.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

Bob I do agree with you about the right and that they need to express it differently but I do not think that this is a warranted T. However i quick 5 second chat once things calm down a bit will help and teach them more than a T here will.

Oh, I don't know. A T is a pretty teachable moment, too.

I don't know whether I'd have called it or not, but I'm certainly not going to sh1t on an official who decided it was worthy of a T.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

This site is "more believable" than the case book?

In NCAA, the T is still shot as part of the OT. In NCAAW, we would then go to the POI, which is the jump ball to resume the OT.



Kid has a right to be unhappy. S/he needs to learn to express it appropriately.

This play was a discussion amongst a few officials. To DeeCee, the official did believe that the action was worth a 'T'. So, while we are in discussion, I get out the case book and read the words from the book. An official responds back, 'I'll have to read the rule book, because there is a rule that contradicts this case play'
YES! This site can be more believable, as well as it supports the Rule and Case book.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Since the people involved did not believe my ruling, I am using this site as a vehicle for my support.

Uh-oh...how did they handle it?

Originally Posted by deecee

this sounds like a bad T. Kid is unhappy that their defense failed, no harm or intent meant.

It makes no difference plus, we have no idea why the kid's mad. He may be steamed over a call that was made before the tying shot. Kids have to learn to control their emotions. Had he just slammed the ball and caught it, no biggie. But when he slams it and it bounces high into mthe air for everyone to see, WHACK!

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Zooch, the 4th qtr. ended when the horn sounded. The score is tied, so OT is required.

The T came after the horn, so the OT is started with the FTs and A gets the ball for the throw-in. No jump ball.

Nitpick: I believe the 4th quarter ended when try ended, which was when the ball passed completely through the ring and net.