Technical foul Overtime

[Zoochy]

What are the NCAA and NFHS rulings?

A1 scores a basket just as time expires to tie the game. The Ball travels through the basket and B1 grabs the ball and SLAMS it to the ground. B1 is assessed a Technical foul. When do you shoot the Free Throws? Are they part of the 4th quarter? Or does OT begin with shooting the Free throws? Is there a jump Ball?

[Jurassic Referee]

NFHS...see case book play 5.6COMMENT B.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

What are the NCAA and NFHS rulings?

A1 scores a basket just as time expires to tie the game. The Ball travels through the basket and B1 grabs the ball and SLAMS it to the ground. B1 is assessed a Technical foul. When do you shoot the Free Throws? Are they part of the 4th quarter? Or does OT begin with shooting the Free throws? Is there a jump Ball?

Zoochy:

JR referenced NFHS Casebook Play 5.6 Comment B: If a technical foul occurs after the ball has become dead to end a quarter, the next quarter is started by administering the free throws. This applies even when the foul occurs after the first half has ended. It also applies when the foul occurs after the second half has ended, provided the score is tied. If the score is not tied, the free throws are administered unless the outcome of the game will not be affected. If the outcome is not already decided, the free throws are attempted immediately as if the foul had been a part of the fourth quarter. In this case, if any overtime period is necessary, it will start with a jump ball. The division line throw-in following the technical foul cannot be carried over
to the overtime as the fourth quarter ended with the last free throw. (R5-S6-A4)

I have a couple of questions. (1) When B1 slammed the ball to the floor, did the ball go from his hands to the floor and then directly back to his hands or did it go into the stratosphere after making contact with the floor? (2) Was B1's slamming the ball to the floor, one of frustration due to the fact that Team A had sent the game into overtime or because he was upset with the officiating.

I am sure that this is a play where one HTBT, but it sounds like it could have been overlooked.

MTD, Sr.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

What are the NCAA and NFHS rulings?

A1 scores a basket just as time expires to tie the game. The Ball travels through the basket and B1 grabs the ball and SLAMS it to the ground. B1 is assessed a Technical foul. When do you shoot the Free Throws? Are they part of the 4th quarter? Or does OT begin with shooting the Free throws? Is there a jump Ball?

Zooch, the 4th qtr. ended when the horn sounded. The score is tied, so OT is required.

The T came after the horn, so the OT is started with the FTs and A gets the ball for the throw-in. No jump ball.

[Zoochy]

This play did happen, but not in my game. I am guessing the ball bounced really high. Even I asked the question, could the Technical been overlooked. I did find the NFHS case play. Since the people involved did not believe my ruling, I am using this site as a vehicle for my support.
Also, I am would like to know if NCAA, men or women, have a different ruling?

[deecee]

this sounds like a bad T. Kid is unhappy that their defense failed, no harm or intent meant.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

This play did happen, but not in my game. I am guessing the ball bounced really high. Even I asked the question, could the Technical been overlooked. I did find the NFHS case play. Since the people involved did not believe my ruling, I am using this site as a vehicle for my support.
Also, I am would like to know if NCAA, men or women, have a different ruling?

This site is "more believable" than the case book?

In NCAA, the T is still shot as part of the OT. In NCAAW, we would then go to the POI, which is the jump ball to resume the OT.

Originally Posted by deecee

this sounds like a bad T. Kid is unhappy that their defense failed, no harm or intent meant.

Kid has a right to be unhappy. S/he needs to learn to express it appropriately.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Since the people involved did not believe my ruling, I am using this site as a vehicle for my support.

Uh-oh...how did they handle it?

Originally Posted by deecee

this sounds like a bad T. Kid is unhappy that their defense failed, no harm or intent meant.

It makes no difference plus, we have no idea why the kid's mad. He may be steamed over a call that was made before the tying shot. Kids have to learn to control their emotions. Had he just slammed the ball and caught it, no biggie. But when he slams it and it bounces high into mthe air for everyone to see, WHACK!

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Kid has a right to be unhappy. S/he needs to learn to express it appropriately.

Bob I do agree with you about the right and that they need to express it differently but I do not think that this is a warranted T. However i quick 5 second chat once things calm down a bit will help and teach them more than a T here will.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by deecee

Bob I do agree with you about the right and that they need to express it differently but I do not think that this is a warranted T.

Ah! So you were there?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Ah! So you were there?

No I wasn't I was going by the OP and 1 assumption based on years of playing, coaching and officiating. Albeit my assumption does have margin for error but how the question was posed and from past experiences I came to my assumption that it was player frustration that they lost their 2 point lead at the buzzer. If its for an unsporting act then I am wrong in my assumption.

[tref]

Originally Posted by deecee

Bob I do agree with you about the right and that they need to express it differently but I do not think that this is a warranted T. However i quick 5 second chat once things calm down a bit will help and teach them more than a T here will.

Coaches teach... officials enforce rules.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Ah! So you were there?

so maybe he could tell us just how he screwed up the administration.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by deecee

No I wasn't I was going by the OP and 1 assumption based on years of playing, coaching and officiating. Albeit my assumption does have margin for error but how the question was posed and from past experiences I came to my assumption that it was player frustration that they lost their 2 point lead at the buzzer. If its for an unsporting act then I am wrong in my assumption.

I agree that it's possible that the T wasn't warranted. But, it's at least equally likely that it was.

The questions to ask are those that Mark D. asked in post #3, and until they are answered I would give the benefit of the doubt to the official.

Besides, the question was about "what to do" not "whether to issue the T."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

Bob I do agree with you about the right and that they need to express it differently but I do not think that this is a warranted T. However i quick 5 second chat once things calm down a bit will help and teach them more than a T here will.

Oh, I don't know. A T is a pretty teachable moment, too.

I don't know whether I'd have called it or not, but I'm certainly not going to sh1t on an official who decided it was worthy of a T.