Technical foul Overtime

[Zoochy]

What are the NCAA and NFHS rulings?

A1 scores a basket just as time expires to tie the game. The Ball travels through the basket and B1 grabs the ball and SLAMS it to the ground. B1 is assessed a Technical foul. When do you shoot the Free Throws? Are they part of the 4th quarter? Or does OT begin with shooting the Free throws? Is there a jump Ball?

[Jurassic Referee]

NFHS...see case book play 5.6COMMENT B.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

What are the NCAA and NFHS rulings?

A1 scores a basket just as time expires to tie the game. The Ball travels through the basket and B1 grabs the ball and SLAMS it to the ground. B1 is assessed a Technical foul. When do you shoot the Free Throws? Are they part of the 4th quarter? Or does OT begin with shooting the Free throws? Is there a jump Ball?

Zoochy:

JR referenced NFHS Casebook Play 5.6 Comment B: If a technical foul occurs after the ball has become dead to end a quarter, the next quarter is started by administering the free throws. This applies even when the foul occurs after the first half has ended. It also applies when the foul occurs after the second half has ended, provided the score is tied. If the score is not tied, the free throws are administered unless the outcome of the game will not be affected. If the outcome is not already decided, the free throws are attempted immediately as if the foul had been a part of the fourth quarter. In this case, if any overtime period is necessary, it will start with a jump ball. The division line throw-in following the technical foul cannot be carried over
to the overtime as the fourth quarter ended with the last free throw. (R5-S6-A4)

I have a couple of questions. (1) When B1 slammed the ball to the floor, did the ball go from his hands to the floor and then directly back to his hands or did it go into the stratosphere after making contact with the floor? (2) Was B1's slamming the ball to the floor, one of frustration due to the fact that Team A had sent the game into overtime or because he was upset with the officiating.

I am sure that this is a play where one HTBT, but it sounds like it could have been overlooked.

MTD, Sr.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

What are the NCAA and NFHS rulings?

A1 scores a basket just as time expires to tie the game. The Ball travels through the basket and B1 grabs the ball and SLAMS it to the ground. B1 is assessed a Technical foul. When do you shoot the Free Throws? Are they part of the 4th quarter? Or does OT begin with shooting the Free throws? Is there a jump Ball?

Zooch, the 4th qtr. ended when the horn sounded. The score is tied, so OT is required.

The T came after the horn, so the OT is started with the FTs and A gets the ball for the throw-in. No jump ball.

[Zoochy]

This play did happen, but not in my game. I am guessing the ball bounced really high. Even I asked the question, could the Technical been overlooked. I did find the NFHS case play. Since the people involved did not believe my ruling, I am using this site as a vehicle for my support.
Also, I am would like to know if NCAA, men or women, have a different ruling?

[deecee]

this sounds like a bad T. Kid is unhappy that their defense failed, no harm or intent meant.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

This play did happen, but not in my game. I am guessing the ball bounced really high. Even I asked the question, could the Technical been overlooked. I did find the NFHS case play. Since the people involved did not believe my ruling, I am using this site as a vehicle for my support.
Also, I am would like to know if NCAA, men or women, have a different ruling?

This site is "more believable" than the case book?

In NCAA, the T is still shot as part of the OT. In NCAAW, we would then go to the POI, which is the jump ball to resume the OT.

Originally Posted by deecee

this sounds like a bad T. Kid is unhappy that their defense failed, no harm or intent meant.

Kid has a right to be unhappy. S/he needs to learn to express it appropriately.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Kid has a right to be unhappy. S/he needs to learn to express it appropriately.

Bob I do agree with you about the right and that they need to express it differently but I do not think that this is a warranted T. However i quick 5 second chat once things calm down a bit will help and teach them more than a T here will.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

This site is "more believable" than the case book?

In NCAA, the T is still shot as part of the OT. In NCAAW, we would then go to the POI, which is the jump ball to resume the OT.



Kid has a right to be unhappy. S/he needs to learn to express it appropriately.

This play was a discussion amongst a few officials. To DeeCee, the official did believe that the action was worth a 'T'. So, while we are in discussion, I get out the case book and read the words from the book. An official responds back, 'I'll have to read the rule book, because there is a rule that contradicts this case play'
YES! This site can be more believable, as well as it supports the Rule and Case book.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Since the people involved did not believe my ruling, I am using this site as a vehicle for my support.

Uh-oh...how did they handle it?

Originally Posted by deecee

this sounds like a bad T. Kid is unhappy that their defense failed, no harm or intent meant.

It makes no difference plus, we have no idea why the kid's mad. He may be steamed over a call that was made before the tying shot. Kids have to learn to control their emotions. Had he just slammed the ball and caught it, no biggie. But when he slams it and it bounces high into mthe air for everyone to see, WHACK!

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Zooch, the 4th qtr. ended when the horn sounded. The score is tied, so OT is required.

The T came after the horn, so the OT is started with the FTs and A gets the ball for the throw-in. No jump ball.

Nitpick: I believe the 4th quarter ended when try ended, which was when the ball passed completely through the ring and net.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

Nitpick: I believe the 4th quarter ended when try ended, which was when the ball passed completely through the ring and net.

Or the ball remained 'live' until it passed through the net completely. The period ended on the horn. Otherwise, any fouls that occurred after the horn, but before the ball became dead, would need to be considered.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Or the ball remained 'live' until it passed through the net completely. The period ended on the horn. Otherwise, any fouls that occurred after the horn, but before the ball became dead, would need to be considered.

Why wouldn't you consider such fouls at the end of a period. You'd consider them on any other shot. Wouldn't you?

Each quarter or extra period ends when the signal illuminates or sounds indicating time has expired, as in 1-14.
EXCEPTIONS:
1. If the ball is in flight during a try or tap for field goal, the quarter or extra period
ends when the try or tap ends.

The try ends when the throw is successful, when it is certain the throw is unsuccessful, when the thrown ball touches the floor or when the ball becomes dead.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Or the ball remained 'live' until it passed through the net completely. The period ended on the horn. Otherwise, any fouls that occurred after the horn, but before the ball became dead, would need to be considered.

5-6-2 exception 1
The quarter is over when the try ends.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

5-6-2 exception 1
The quarter is over when the try ends.

I'm surprised nobody posted that before now.