Administering a false multiple

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yup, personal fouls that happened simultaneously and were committed by teammates on two different opponents. Ponder the fact that the only foul definition that fits that situation is a false multiple foul. It can't be a simultaneous foul because it doesn't meet the rules criteria of 4-19-10. And note that as already cited each foul of a false multiple carries it's own penalty....and the penalty for one foul of a false multiple foul could be a 1/1.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

By rules definition you can't treat them as a simultaneous foul though. That's the point. The only rules definition that fits is a false multiple foul, and if you penalize each foul seperately by rule you would be shooting 2 sets of 1/1's in your situation above. And the calling officials would still have to decide which fouled player shot first()

I think we all agree it is a False Multiple Foul. And we all agree that, in case of a False Multiple Foul, each foul carries its own penalty.

The problem is, 4-8-1 defines Bonus Free Throw (with exceptions) as the second FT awarded for a Common Foul. 4-19-2 says that simultaneous fouls (the ones not defined) are not Common Fouls. Therefore, there are no FTs awarded for these fouls because they are not Common Fouls.

I am not convinced this is the intent of these rules, but I can't convince myself otherwise (yet) either. This is one of those situations where things just don't match up for me.

This is also the point where some people say, rules, ruelz and paralysis by analysis (or something close to that), but right now, I am having conflict with the rule set. And the rule set (NFHS) seems to be telling me that we cannot shoot Bonus FTs for any fouls that are not Common Fouls. For the time being, I am saying, Demz Da Rulz!

In addition, leave out the argument about common sense and one foul happened before the other etc.. We all get that. Even if one happpened before the other, doesn't that leave you with a dead ball contact foul? Out of the pan into the fire!

Wow, how is that for playing Devil's Advocate.